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Danishfurniturelover said:
You're being disingenuous if you do not think this is not applying pressure and a bias to the judiciary. It is a clear pattern of behaviour that we are seeing in this country.
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As opposed to a bias that is seemingly inherent in the system at the moment?
It’s always going to a difficult task to get the swing of the pendulum to land in the middle but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to rectify current biases.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
As opposed to a bias that is seemingly inherent in the system at the moment?
It’s always going to a difficult task to get the swing of the pendulum to land in the middle but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to rectify current biases.
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Something like you are 1.5x more likely to receive a custodial sentence in the UK for being black......dependant on crimes that moves up and down.

I can't remember the posts on here demanding a single tier system when that was the case.............maybe there was and I just missed them.........then again
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
You're being disingenuous if you do not think this is not applying pressure and a bias to the judiciary. It is a clear pattern of behaviour that we are seeing in this country.
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This is an interesting point.
My initial reaction (albeit without having read the full guidance, and gaining an understanding of its purpose) is that this is unjust.
There is an echo within that that it may be an attempted politicisation of sentencing guidelines.

Ethnic background may be a mitigation within a hearing, and therefore sentencing - but I think this is already covered within existing guidelines.

It is concerning on the surface.
It might, however, be a catalyst for reform of the Sentencing Council.
 
@markysimmo the Telegraph reported now that 50 grooming gangs were in operation up and down the country. Sir Starmer when questioned could not deny or confirm the exact number and refused to say if they were all Labour run councils.

Mark I will never approve of racism. But I also will not let a misguided notion of political correctness let me shy away from asking the difficult questions. If the are or were 50 grooming gangs it would give even more credence to my suggestion that it is an institutional problem.

Anyway you are being cordially invited to join a discord group, lots of it centres on financial trading but also the dismally poor direction this country is headed in. My username is BernsteinandWoodward as I do the work of two reporters in my never ending quest for truth.

Don't let them silence you don't become what they want but fight for true equality and Justice.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
As opposed to a bias that is seemingly inherent in the system at the moment?
It’s always going to a difficult task to get the swing of the pendulum to land in the middle but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to rectify current biases.
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So fight a supposed bias, if I'm to believe that judges are currently a racist lot:oops: by telling them to be prejudiced but just in a different way.

It's just indefensible and your so married to your identity politics you don't care for justice. Really hope if you have son's they never end up in any sort of trouble as they won't be given a fair crack of the whip.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I genuinely think it has as much to do with people’s aging and a lament for their youth. But nevertheless it should act as a warning of what is there in everyone - we can all be prejudicial. And we have to consciously act against it most of the time. An exception might be football, where you can explore in groups and team prejudice with immunity.

It feel like societies made strides forward over the past 50 years but we’re seeing a consolidation now, with globalisation and aging western populations. 3 steps forward one step back. But the thing to hang onto is these views are coming from older generations. And rarely the young.
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Its driven by money. Its easy to monetarise hate
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
@markysimmo the Telegraph reported now that 50 grooming gangs were in operation up and down the country. Sir Starmer when questioned could not deny or confirm the exact number and refused to say if they were all Labour run councils.

Mark I will never approve of racism. But I also will not let a misguided notion of political correctness let me shy away from asking the difficult questions. If the are or were 50 grooming gangs it would give even more credence to my suggestion that it is an institutional problem.

Anyway you are being cordially invited to join a discord group, lots of it centres on financial trading but also the dismally poor direction this country is headed in. My username is BernsteinandWoodward as I do the work of two reporters in my never ending quest for truth.

Don't let them silence you don't become what they want but fight for true equality and Justice.
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The biggest grooming gang is the one with churches everywhere right.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
So fight a supposed bias, if I'm to believe that judges are currently a racist lot:oops: by telling them to be prejudiced but just in a different way.

It's just indefensible and your so married to your identity politics you don't care for justice. Really hope if you have son's they never end up in any sort of trouble as they won't be given a fair crack of the whip.
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If ethnic minorities are getting longer sentences for the same crimes (which is a fact) - you think justice is leaving that as it is.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
@markysimmo the Telegraph reported now that 50 grooming gangs were in operation up and down the country. Sir Starmer when questioned could not deny or confirm the exact number and refused to say if they were all Labour run councils.

Mark I will never approve of racism. But I also will not let a misguided notion of political correctness let me shy away from asking the difficult questions. If the are or were 50 grooming gangs it would give even more credence to my suggestion that it is an institutional problem.

Anyway you are being cordially invited to join a discord group, lots of it centres on financial trading but also the dismally poor direction this country is headed in. My username is BernsteinandWoodward as I do the work of two reporters in my never ending quest for truth.

Don't let them silence you don't become what they want but fight for true equality and Justice.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL - you aren't fighting anything. You are typing stuff on the internet and most of it is made up stuff you found on tik tok. Fight lol!!!!
 
Grays_1890 said:
Oldest political trick in the world.

Feed people with enough rubbish about why they have it so bad and point fingers pretending you hate the same people. Farage and Trump 101
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My favourite new thing I've learnt about is the 1752 Calendar Riots. This was when Britain changed from the Julian to Gregorian calendar, and the Tories whipped up their plebs to riot about their 'stolen 11 days' and the devious popery behind it.
 
Don't want to come across as anti Ukranian but in amongst all the discussions this week there's been barely any mention of how all this increased aid is going to be paid for. As a country we're already heavily in debt with crumbling public services and numerous other issues including sky high cost of living. More aid likely equals more borrowing and higher interest payments unless taxes are raised or money is diverted elsewhere. I think there needs to be a proper conversation about it, we know that increased poverty leads to higher mortality for example.

I feel like at the moment there's a tendency to blame Putin for everything wrong in the country, Russia aren't responsible for social issues, jobs, economy, public services, health etc yet these are huge issues that aren't factored into the aid mix.

I'd like us to provide aid but just think we need to be realistic about how much we can provide given how the UK is today.
 
P.D. said:
Don't want to come across as anti Ukranian but in amongst all the discussions this week there's been barely any mention of how all this increased aid is going to be paid for. As a country we're already heavily in debt with crumbling public services and numerous other issues including sky high cost of living. More aid likely equals more borrowing and higher interest payments unless taxes are raised or money is diverted elsewhere. I think there needs to be a proper conversation about it, we know that increased poverty leads to higher mortality for example.

I feel like at the moment there's a tendency to blame Putin for everything wrong in the country, Russia aren't responsible for social issues, jobs, economy, public services, health etc yet these are huge issues that aren't factored into the aid mix.

I'd like us to provide aid but just think we need to be realistic about how much we can provide given how the UK is today.
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1) The £200b of frozen Russian assets
2) It's Keynesian - the money goes to BAE systems (manufacturing) and university engineering departments (R&D), so indirectly boosts the domestic economy too
 
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