Housing costs, cost of living, the disgraceful sabotage of a living wage, the near-destruction of public services via terrible/questionable investment? Absolutely agree 100%.
History tell us that migrants/immigrants are used and abused by everybody as it suits their agenda. The greatest abuse of cheaper labour in this country has come as a consequence of aggressive capitalism (as launched by Thatcher) which has suckered most people. Convenience AND cheap; they want it all!!! And as long as someone will work for less, then they'll get it (the soft erosion of workers rights have added to this). I suspect we are in agreement here.
Yet there is a massive, massive problem with our indigenous population simply not being prepared to do many of 'those' jobs. Add to that a total disregard for funding public education, and we have serious issues which are not going to be cured by simply cutting out migrants/immigration. Divide and conquer remains the single greatest tool 'they' have as it keeps us from recognizing the massive class divide which (if the disaffected united) could bring the overpaid and overpowerful to their knees.
I would agree that nations should always be reviewing their immigration policies, but the notion that putting serious curbs/restrictions on migrants as a first action is seriously, seriously flawed IMO. It will always be an easy touchstone for angry, disaffected people, and IMO it remains a dangerous and self-defeating place to come from.
...right now, Trump is pulling the Mein Kampf playbook. It is scary brick. Farage did it too but with a goofy grin and gentler words.
I have thought a lot about your posts, simply because I found your seering rage and deep indigence to be signs of someone who had either been wronged or felt wronged by current society. In many ways I think many of us feel that frustration, if not to your seeming-levels of expression. I've concluded we are a lot closer in agreement in several things than it might have appeared. In fact for me, it is your stand on migrants which is the biggest difference. I am not down wit that...
Offered in the spirit of discussion.
The bit in bold, I complete agree with, we do have a problem with people not wanting to do certain jobs, but then their is another flip to that coin. We are constantly told that the English are lazy, no one wants work as you have pointed out, but the truth is, as a % the white British are the group lest likely to be out of work.
And here as well
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Now of course, there could be many reasons for this, but decades, we have been constantly told that white people are lazy and that migrants are harder workers, this is simple not true. People have used but the Polish work two jobs, look at how hardworking they are... What they fail to tell you is that most of them are snorting coke to keep going, and I know this as I have worked in places where this happens, and after 5 years they are burned out and go home with a pot of money, and good to them, they worked hard for it. What it does though is create unrealistic work expectancies by employers that British don't want to work as hard too. And the British, they can't, they can't go home after 5 years, they have families to provide for and can't be snorting coke for decades to work at an insane level work.
Of course, I am not saying this is everywhere, but it is a still a huge factor in things and needs to be added to the conversation and debate.
Some of the laziest people I have ever worked with have been migrant workers.
So the truth is migrant workers are just like us, you get ya nice ones, ya bad one, you're hard working ones, you're lazy one, smart and thick, and everything in between and a combination of everything.
So yeah, their are a lazy bunch of people who need a kick up the ass, but the answer is not to rely on migration to solve the problem and the problem is not as big as you make it out to be, there has been a great manipulation going on by government that does stack up with figures.
Then there is argument they bringing wealth to the country? Well no, not really, as we have seen they are more likely to be unemployed, but this wealth figure is massively skewed by a tiny minority that bring billions with them. Just as they way they spin deals with companies etc, this deal will make everyone on average £3000 richer.... No most people will get 10p, the top 1% will get millions each.
As for the trump comments, the guy is wigged w**k gibbon. And he is going to win, because the democrats haven't got a clue what they are doing. How cr*p do you have to be to lose to Trump.
And you are making the same mistake about Farage a lot of the time, you hear what you want to hear, and you only ever listen to what been reported, cut to Cherry pick to create a label to attack the person. I hate Farage, especially when it comes to science and climate change, the guy is a blithering idiot, but I like to watch whole videos to understand the context of what is being said, and he doesn't anything near what people think he says the vast majority of the time, most of it is being being twisted by the media that you watch to portray him as something he is not.
Then every cries and throws their teddies out the pram when he gets the third highest number of votes in general elect and the EU referendum and wonder why lost, then come out with outlandish claim that people where this, people where that.
No, the problem was a political elite so arrogant that they new best, that they never listened to the concerns of the people, just insulted them, called them racist, bigots and any other ist and phobe under sun.
And this is why exactly why Trump will win, because the otherside ain't listening.
Jonathon Pie highlights some of the issues here.
You also need to stop assuming, I don't have a seering rage over immigration, I have concerns. I have a seering rage that the only argument from the people I debate with is to label me a racist, bigot, Nazi, and Facist as their first line of debate... Completely ignoring actual evidence from actual studies, to be labelled cherry picking... Well no, studies are studies, I don't get to choose what they say.
I just want balanced and sustainable immigration, and for me 200,000 a year is in no way sustainable as we are already over populated as we already can't grow enough food to feed ourrselves, which has been the case for decades long before we entered the EU most probably. I want criminals to be deported, just as british people when abroad and they commit crime they are deported. I don't want people coming to country who have nothing to offer us at all, in the same way I can't move to any country I want if I have nothing to offer them.
I also want a govenment that has ability to come up with ideas and sell a future vision of the UK and not use migration as a fix all for every problem in the UK, that will never end well. Lowing the bar so low that anyone without a skill can enter, it's just pure lazy government that has sown the seeds of discord. And no, I am not blaming immigrants, I am blaming decades of incompetent governement.
I don't want people arriving by boat, 99% of which, are young working age men and in no way are refugee's, some, a tiny minority, maybe Dr's that media can cherry pick to sell a lie to the people, whilst crime and sexual assaults increase in these area...
Britian has long history of helping refugees and rightly so, but what we are seeing now is not refugees and people are buring their hands pretending that everything is fine and it is not.
It is not just happening here, it's across the whole of Europe, Sweden, Denmark, France, Italy, Germany are all having the same problems with the same reasons and it is they left just bury their head in the sand ignoring the reasons why. And they all don;t understand why.
And I don't want the far right in in charge, but they will, because the left are full on ignoring everything they don't like in the hopes if they lie enough the problem will go away and it want.
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