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scaramanga said:
Is it surprising that a left wing lobbying group that's ideologically opposed to the Conservatives is criticising a Conservative PM?
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The Government are not saying they are wrong interestingly. Neither is there any evidence they are ideologically opposed to the Conservatives.
 
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Post Biden, Boris has been trying to get green. We host a climate summit in Glasgow which will be the first face to face meeting with Biden. Soon after Biden was confirmed, Boris brought the date forward for halting internal combustion engine cars, and announced other greener intentions. Clearly the government feel that to make Brexit a success we need to open up trade with the US, and that involves wooing Biden as a green ally. But it will be a two way street, the US will demand access as well as give access. Hopefully we can get a trade deal that doesn’t open up our food market and we can stick to the vastly higher quality of EU food.


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Robspur12 said:
The Government are not saying they are wrong interestingly. Neither is there any evidence they are ideologically opposed to the Conservatives.
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I think the govt are doing what most people do with green lobbyists and forgetting they exist.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Post Biden, Boris has been trying to get green. We host a climate summit in Glasgow which will be the first face to face meeting with Biden. Soon after Biden was confirmed, Boris brought the date forward for halting internal combustion engine cars, and announced other greener intentions. Clearly the government feel that to make Brexit a success we need to open up trade with the US, and that involves wooing Biden as a green ally. But it will be a two way street, the US will demand access as well as give access. Hopefully we can get a trade deal that doesn’t open up our food market and we can stick to the vastly higher quality of EU food.


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What makes you think EU food is of a higher standard?
 
scaramanga said:
What makes you think EU food is of a higher standard?
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Take chicken production for example. In the EU you have to clean out the chicken shed after rearing a flock. In the US you don’t. You can leave all the zhit and rear another flock of chickens, only cleaning up after 2 cycles. This is more cost effective but as a result you have to dip the chicken carcasses in bleach as they live in filth.

Beef production in the UK tends to be seriously different to the US too with animals in general free to graze.


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SpurMeUp said:
Take chicken production for example. In the EU you have to clean out the chicken shed after rearing a flock. In the US you don’t. You can leave all the zhit and rear another flock of chickens, only cleaning up after 2 cycles. This is more cost effective but as a result you have to dip the chicken carcasses in bleach as they live in filth.

Beef production in the UK tends to be seriously different to the US too with animals in general free to graze.


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Having eaten plenty of chicken and beef in both countries, I can tell you that there's no difference whatsoever.
 
Robspur12 said:
Well they don't rely on end point chlorination to wash away the ills of intensive farming for a start. The EU philosophy of farm to fork safety means the meat does not need to be chlorinated at the end to kill bugs like campylobacter.
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Yet both end up in food without bugs.
 
scaramanga said:
Having eaten plenty of chicken and beef in both countries, I can tell you that there's no difference whatsoever.
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The other major difference is the uses of suspected carcinogenic chemicals. Pesticides that are banned in the EU are used in the US. Nasty things like potassium bromide is added to flour to make it rise or ADA which is added to cereal and bread to keep it soft. It’s a chemical taken from plastic manufacturing. It’s used to make gym mats spongy. All banned in the EU, Canada and Brazil for human consumption because it has been linked to significant animal tumours during lab tests. But you’d feed it to your kids. Okay then!


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Robspur12 said:
Yes. On the face of it they are saying their plans currently lack detail.

A government spokesperson didn't deny the gaps in policy and funding
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Not acknowledging the output of cranks is the same as not denying it - depends on the journalist.
 
SpurMeUp said:
The other major difference is the uses of suspected carcinogenic chemicals. Pesticides that are banned in the EU are used in the US. Nasty things like potassium bromide is added to flour to make it rise or ADA which is added to cereal and bread to keep it soft. It’s a chemical taken from plastic manufacturing. It’s used to make gym mats spongy. All banned in the EU, Canada and Brazil for human consumption because it has been linked to significant animal tumours during lab tests. But you’d feed it to your kids. Okay then!


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I'm afraid you've fallen for conspiracy theory nonsense there regarding azodicarbonamide.

The whole "used in yoga mats" flimflam came from someone who refers to herself as the Food Babe. Google "food babe skeptic" (US spelling as I believe she's US based) to see just how seriously the scientific community takes her and her claims. For a more specific rebuttal of her macaronic azodicarbonamide claims, see here:

https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/eating-yoga-mats/
 
Robspur12 said:
Neither do actually. You cannot remove bugs without sterilising the food. But American meat generally has higher levels of residual bacteria than UK/EU meat as well as poorer standards of animal welfare in their farms.
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Standards of animal welfare sounds like a consumer choice, rather than something that should be enforced by a supranational entity.

Do you have any evidence that meat in the US is less safe than elsewhere? For example, EU chicken has roughly 10x the level of salmonella when compared to US chicken - mainly because we don't chlorine wash our chicken.
 
scaramanga said:
I'm afraid you've fallen for conspiracy theory nonsense there regarding azodicarbonamide.

The whole "used in yoga mats" flimflam came from someone who refers to herself as the Food Babe. Google "food babe skeptic" (US spelling as I believe she's US based) to see just how seriously the scientific community takes her and her claims. For a more specific rebuttal of her macaronic azodicarbonamide claims, see here:

https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/eating-yoga-mats/
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The lab studies that link these chemicals to cancer are not worth heeding? Publications such as the times are also falling for conspiracy? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-food-standards-differ-between-the-uk-and-us-8f9w5cwtt

They or you are wrong. Who would I back? [emoji4]

It’s only our kids who’ll be eating this stuff, is it worth playing fast and lose, or better to stick to the highest of global food standards? 95% of the Uk population disagree with you and think we should maintain our standards according to a which study.


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