Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Glenda's Legs]

It does not explicitly state that we have to treat them as asylum seekers or refugees either or prohibit us from taking a dim view of travelling through multiple safe countries. It merely holds that it is not an automatic relinquishing of refugee status. Our stance of travelling via safe third countries negatively impacting the liklihood of asylum claims being considered is not incompatible with the treaty. And the UK's criminal law is what determines whether something is illegal in this country, not an international treaty. A refugee under the comvention is someone facing persecution in their home country based on their race, religion, nationality, political opinion or other characteristic likely to put them at risk. So as ive said, stepping off a boat and saying "i'm claiming asylum give me a lawyer" does not automatically just dissappear black and white uk law into a puff of smoke.

Whilst their claims being processed they have status as asylum seeker. If after the process and any subsequent appeal the claim is unsuccessful then their temporary leave to remain is revoked. Should they remain beyond that point then they are here illegally.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

There's no reliable data on that. Which is part of the problem. They're told to throw their documents in the sea. New identities are routinely created by smugglers.

Surely that just discounts country of origin?
I'm pretty sure one can record data on man, woman, child?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Whilst their claims being processed they have status as asylum seeker. If after the process and any subsequent appeal the claim is unsuccessful then their temporary leave to remain is revoked. Should they remain beyond that point then they are here illegally.

Thats what i said

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

There's no reliable data on that. Which is part of the problem. They're told to throw their documents in the sea. New identities are routinely created by smugglers.

Is this reliable?...has nationality breakdown

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines the phenomenon of people crossing the English Channel in small boats.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

 

[markysimmo]

Channel crossings hit 50,000 since Labour came to power

A government minister describes the number as "unacceptable" but says Labour is "making progress".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Grays_1890]

Could you breakdown the 'douchebag' numbers for me? Country of origin, man, woman, child.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Is this reliable?...has nationality breakdown

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory

This briefing examines the phenomenon of people crossing the English Channel in small boats.

migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk

It is from the home office irregular migration data statistics, which is the most reliable data. However i don't feel like the data has been accurately presented as they are implying that these nationalities are what make up the % of irregular arrivals in total, but the Home Office make it clear that the data excludes undocumented arrivals for which country or origin data is not available. The Home Office states that it is impossible to accurately document all iregular arrivals to the UK.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Thats what i said

Im not sure that you did as you continued to assert that those who enter illegally seeking asylum are illegal immigrants. Otherwise why not call them asylum seekers?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Im not sure that you did as you continued to assert that those who enter illegally seeking asylum are illegal immigrants. Otherwise why not call them asylum seekers?

They're illegal immigrants. If the home office grants them leave to remain pending an asylum application then they are no longer illegally here. Its not that difficult to understand. Although technically they still committed the offence of entering without leave. Its like the fact that current guidance is not to prosecute possession of small amounts of class B drugs for personal use.....doesnt change the fact the activity is illegal

 

[Glenda's Legs]

They're illegal immigrants. If the home office grants them leave to remain pending an asylum application then they are no longer illegally here. It’s not that difficult to understand. Although technically they still committed the offence of entering without leave. It’s like the fact that current guidance is not to prosecute possession of small amounts of class B drugs for personal use.....doesnt change the fact the activity is illegal

I really don’t have a difficulty understanding.