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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Robspur12 said:
So you are one of the shirt waving racists you decry?
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Not at all, I'm just as happy to colonise all the white people too. I just want to end protectionism and free the markets.

Maybe it's best to wait for Greece and Italy to drag the Euro down the pan and then we can just trade them some shiny trinkets for their land instead.
 
scaramanga said:
Each country regulates its own.

You're still avoiding the question;

Nobody in the EU will buy our products as they don't want them, right?
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Sorry I haven't followed the rest of the posts so at a risk of getting the wrong end of the stick:-

This point is academic as our companies will not be able to afford to sell their products in the EU when the tariffs wipe out their margins.
 
Robspur12 said:
Sorry I haven't followed the rest of the posts so at a risk of getting the wrong end of the stick:-

This point is academic as our companies will not be able to afford to sell their products in the EU when the tariffs wipe out their margins.
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That was my response to a suggestion that those in the EU want products with a higher environmental and employment cost wrapped into them.

So if that's the case, why put tariffs on something the populace won't want anyway?
 
scaramanga said:
That was my response to a suggestion that those in the EU want products with a higher environmental and employment cost wrapped into them.

So if that's the case, why put tariffs on something the populace won't want anyway?
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My point was 1. you can't have a free market if one nation in the EU is allowed to use cheaper chemicals that are banned in another - there has to be some alignment for free trade to be fair. 2. EU rules that control toxic chemicals being used in manufacturing protect people making things in factories, stops companies from having to dispose of toxic substances potentially releasing them into the environment etc and it makes sense that an intra-national body oversees such things.

Consumers won't know all this, they don't need to as it is taken care of for them - another good thing.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
My point was 1. you can't have a free market if one nation in the EU is allowed to use cheaper chemicals that are banned in another - there has to be some alignment for free trade to be fair. 2. EU rules that control toxic chemicals being used in manufacturing protect people making things in factories, stops companies from having to dispose of toxic substances potentially releasing them into the environment etc and it makes sense that an intra-national body oversees such things.

Consumers won't know all this, they don't need to as it is taken care of for them - another good thing.
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I find the concept that a supranational body knows what it's voters want better than they do deplorable. It's views like that which make so many people want to be free of their overreach.

Still, the citizens of Eurasia probably dont know any better so they'll be happy.
 
Robspur12 said:
Sorry I haven't followed the rest of the posts so at a risk of getting the wrong end of the stick:-

This point is academic as our companies will not be able to afford to sell their products in the EU when the tariffs wipe out their margins.
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Isn't that the point though, they will offer tariff free access but be able to impose them if we de-regulate to give ourselves a competitive advantage. I know things don't play out in theory but if UK businesses have that advantage then their products or services will be cheaper to provide so tariffs should equalise it.

I don't mind some tariffs but it should be up to the EU to demonstrate that not following certain regulations give them a competitive advantage not available to EU countries, merely following a different path/approach doesn't have to mean you gain a competitive advantage. It's not a direct correlation.

The UK plans to reduce emissions by 68% whilst the EU is only pursuing 55% at EU level - on the face of it costs to business should be higher in the UK to achieve those levels but it's all in the detail as to whether laws passed to achieve it or measure emissions give a competitive advantage. The UK standards are already vastly higher than the EU's anyway.
 
scaramanga said:
I find the concept that a supranational body knows what it's voters want better than they do deplorable. It's views like that which make so many people want to be free of their overreach.

Still, the citizens of Eurasia probably dont know any better so they'll be happy.
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You didn’t even know that the EU doesn’t determine the minimum wage! You really think people want to know all the details of manufacturing chemicals and boring trade laws?


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SpurMeUp said:
You didn’t even know that the EU doesn’t determine the minimum wage! You really think people want to know all the details of manufacturing chemicals and boring trade laws?


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I think you might be getting me mixed up with another poster.

I'm fully versed in how the minimum wage works as I've been working with lobbying groups to avoid damaging our economy since its inception.

Edit: Or youay have misread my.post about CZ wages where I've complained about the EU wanting to bring all member states up to the same standard, which has ruined competitiveness over there. But that's the Euro rather than the EU.
 
scaramanga said:
What have you heard about that?

I still don't get it with the fish. If the French care that much about what goes on in our waters, why did they spend the last few hundred years losing all the battles over them?
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Just what is in the news.

I don't get the fish thing either. Seems more of a totem issue in a lot of ways. I guess it is the only bargaining chip the UK really had so they have to get negotiation mileage out of it. But on the other hand who doesn't like a good sabre rattle with your close trading partners and allies.
 
scaramanga said:
I think you might be getting me mixed up with another poster.

I'm fully versed in how the minimum wage works as I've been working with lobbying groups to avoid damaging our economy since its inception.

Edit: Or youay have misread my.post about CZ wages where I've complained about the EU wanting to bring all member states up to the same standard, which has ruined competitiveness over there. But that's the Euro rather than the EU.
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I'm sure you were insisting it would be terrible if the UK were to follow EU minimum wages, of which there are none. Lets be frank all the things the EU covers (and doesn't!) are pretty dull. That is why we've never really bothered to engage with it all. Although I admire your stoicism, trying to argue for Brexit on economic grounds is a tough ask. It doesn't really make sense economically. Tip to anyone wishing to argue for Leave: stick to immigration. It is what Vote Leave did so successfully. While the arguments are not 1OO% in favour (as we need some immigration and Brits actually prefer European migrants) it is a much closer argument!
 
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SpurMeUp said:
I'm sure you were insisting it would terrible if the UK were to follow EU minimum wages, of which there are none. Lets be frank all the things the EU covers (and doesn't!) are pretty dull. That is why we've never really bothered to engage with it all. Although I admire your stoicism, trying to argue for Brexit on economic grounds is a tough ask. It doesn't really make sense economically. Tip to anyone wishing to argue for Leave: stick to immigration. It is what Vote Leave did so successfully. While the arguments are not 1OO% in favour (as we need some immigration and Brits actually prefer euopeans migrants) it is a much closer argument!
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Still can't believe no one calls out the UK for saying "it's nonsenical for Scotland to leave their biggest trading partner" whilst simultaneously the UK is leaving its biggest trading partner.
 
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Diamond Lights said:
Still can't believe no one calls out the UK for saying "it's nonsenical for Scotland to leave their biggest trading partner" whilst simultaneously the UK is leaving its biggest trading partner.
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I don't think anyone in the UK does say that.

I think it's mad for Scotland to leave its biggest source of handouts.
 
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