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scaramanga said:
The UK borrowing is fine. The UK propping up brickhouse economies like Italy and Greece isn't.
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The UK is not propping up Italy and Greece. Fake news. You say it is fine for the UK to borrow money to support the UK, but not okay for the EU to borrow to support the EU :confused:

scaramanga said:
Charging a higher rate of tax to businesses that can literally set up anywhere in the world is also bad.
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Why exactly would that be bad!? In what reality is fairness bad?
Which bodies have taken steps to push back against such companies that pay no tax? Any in the UK? Which bodies or institutions have the potential to stand up to the likes of Apple? Individual nations can't for the reason you outline - these businesses can setup anywhere. So pan-national cooperation is required. The EU is pushing back and has the potential to force Amazon, Apple etc to at least pay some tax back into national coffers. And that is a bad thing!?

At least you accepted a tax on plastic!
 
JerusalemMan said:
From the report:

"The issue of defending the UK’s democratic processes and discourse has appeared to be something of a ‘hot potato’, with no one organisation recognising itself as having an overall lead."

Also:
"Accountability is an issue in particular – whilst the Foreign Secretary has responsibility for the NCSC [National Cyber Security Centre], which is responsible for incident response, the Home Secretary leads on the response to major cyber incidents. Indeed, there are a number of other Ministers with some form of responsibility for cyber – the Defence Secretary has overall responsibility for Offensive Cyber as a ‘warfighting tool’ and for the National Offensive Cyber Programme, while the Secretary of State for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) leads on digital matters, with the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster being responsible for the National Cyber Security Strategy and the National Cyber Security Programme. It makes for an unnecessarily complicated wiring diagram of responsibilities."
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Yet our security services took great interest in Russia's intervention in Syria. As they did with Russias involvement in Ukraine. But Russian intervention in matters of UK democracy, nah not bothered?

This report was finished 7 months ago. Before the last election. Some may well conclude that the reason for it not being published then, and the reason our national agencies have seemingly been asleep, are aligned.

The reality of global money flows is they are practically impossible to track back to Russia. But security agencies have long known that Russian money has been used to influence UK democracy, as it has US democracy. Open donations to the Tory party from actors aligned with Putin, to cleverly disguised flows of money to support political movements that align with Russian foreign policy aims e.g. undermining the EU, an entity that Russia finds threatening, are apparent. In The Great Game, you have to hand it to Russia they have pulled the wests pants down.
 
SpurMeUp said:
The UK is not propping up Italy and Greece. Fake news. You say it is fine for the UK to borrow money to support the UK, but not okay for the EU to borrow to support the EU :confused:
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Who do you think will end up paying that debt?

If we were in the EU the burden would have fallen disproportionately on us. fudge them and their redistribution of our wealth.

SpurMeUp said:
Why exactly would that be bad!? In what reality is fairness bad?
Which bodies have taken steps to push back against such companies that pay no tax? Any in the UK? Which bodies or institutions have the potential to stand up to the likes of Apple? Individual nations can't for the reason you outline - these businesses can setup anywhere. So pan-national cooperation is required. The EU is pushing back and has the potential to force Amazon, Apple etc to at least pay some tax back into national coffers. And that is a bad thing!?
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Better to have some tax and lots of jobs than no tax and no jobs.

Tech companies can set up wherever they like. Chasing them for more tax means they'll just set up somewhere cheaper.

This is the UK's opportunity to attract all of the tech firms from the EU by offering them a low tax rate.

SpurMeUp said:
At least you accepted a tax on plastic!
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Actually I didn't, I just didn't dignify such a ridiculous suggestion with a response.
 
Mikey10 said:
Old Chinese proverb:

Prime Minister who accepts £160,000 from former Russian minister’s wife for a tennis match won’t be minded to investigate Russian interference in UK votes.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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Russian interference was investigated, I mentioned it the other day:
scaramanga said:
These ones too (along with everyone else involved):
https://www.parliament.uk/business/...written-statement/Commons/2020-07-16/HCWS384/
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But you didn't care because it was your team with their hands dirty.
 
Rorschach said:
So you think there was nothing to investigate? ;)
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I think Russia tried - I think they've tried in pretty much every Western vote for a few years now.

I don't think they had any effect and I haven't seen the govt using their propaganda like Corbyn and Trump.
 
scaramanga said:
I think Russia tried - I think they've tried in pretty much every Western vote for a few years now.

I don't think they had any effect and I haven't seen the govt using their propaganda like Corbyn and Trump.
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Maybe that's something they should look into then.
 
scaramanga said:
Do you think they haven't? I can't see any reason why they wouldn't if there were any decent evidence for it.

I'm sure there's a whole Russian cyber team constantly monitoring anything like that.
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I can only go on the press conference that the ISC gave yesterday where they stated that they have not looked into it.
 
Rorschach said:
I can only go on the press conference that the ISC gave yesterday where they stated that they have not looked into it.
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If we knew everything that went on behind closed doors there wouldn’t been a need for the MI5s and 6 of the world or counter Intelligence.

The fact the new world war is online means all of this will be monitored daily.
 
Grays_1890 said:
If we knew everything that went on behind closed doors there wouldn’t been a need for the MI5s and 6 of the world or counter Intelligence.

The fact the new world war is online means all of this will be monitored daily.
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Have you seen the press conference yesterday?
 
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