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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

So Labour could push for a referendum, could make a difference and provide what the house needs to move on - but would rather play politics and chase power.

Even their own MPs dont know what the line is, many want to pursue it but get nothing but mixed messages from the top.

Kier Stamer today, CANT actually say they wont do it - would cause mutiny - but is squirming wriggling and worming around actually saying if they would.

This is a moment where proper opposition can show their colours and put the country first, and as predicted are not.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
So Labour could push for a referendum, could make a difference and provide what the house needs to move on - but would rather play politics and chase power.

Even their own MPs dont know what the line is, many want to pursue it but get nothing but mixed messages from the top.

Kier Stamer today, CANT actually say they wont do it - would cause mutiny - but is squirming wriggling and worming around actually saying if they would.

This is a moment where proper opposition can show their colours and put the country first, and as predicted are not.
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Labour have a preferred option and its not a referendum - they think their alternative is better for the country and will push for another referendum as a last resort. What they think is better for the country doesn't match your opinion.
 
I think its in line with what their members asked for, I can also see why they think it may be best for the country. I would prefer another referendum but like many have said you run the risk its legitimacy so this is trying to get to a Brexit without going back to the electorate.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
We have some seriously unimpressive people as politicians in this country. Across all parties.
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Could not agree more, never been a big lover of politics or politicions but this lot ( from all partys) should be ashamed of themselves, self serving pieces of brick who are not considering the public just their own thoughts.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Looking at the situation (and what a f.cking mess it is) i'm honestly not sure if we would have been in any different situation now no matter who was leading us through the process (except Levy of course:)).

Naturally 'no deal' would have been an easy 'see you later' straight after the vote if that was our choice (it wasn't) BUT the EU have called the tune and we may have taken this way or that and certain maverick,stupid,opinionated,delusional (etc) politicians may have thought their plan/deal was best or they would have been 'tougher'....all that is scuppered by the EU, it would boil down to where we are now.

I'm not saying May has done a good job. Perhaps she made a mistake to chase a mandate via a GE, and ended up getting intertwined with the DUP, but even if she had secured a reasonable majority, even that wouldn't have been enough looking at the recent votes. I love the irony of her losing her voice as she withers into a dark room with no light and very little worthwhile left to say.

Someone has to do the job but the nuances, choices, elements are so varied that (understandably) to get a consensus it proving impossible. If politicians have a view on whats best for the COUNTRY, than thats alright by me, if that means they break into various groups, thats fine as well (although a pain in this instance) but the self-interested, career promoting, point scoring snakes and zealots that frequent Westminster can do one. This is not a political matter. It is a economic,social,national decision and should have been treated as such from the get go (ie stripped of politics)

We are at an impasse...literally going round in circles with no sign of a pathway out. Just take Mays deal, or No brexit. No deal is attractive BUT in 2019 and the faces involved..no chance.

EDit: I don't want no re-runs, general elections, time extensions (for what?)...the EU call the tune all it does if keep us in the infinite loop to the same conclusions.
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What are you expecting from Brexit?

I’m not into proving anyone right or wrong etc just interested in your views.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
I actually think people are looking too short term, and not long term enough.

Short term pain - even if it is a real shock - for long term gain isnt a bad thing. Its a necessary thing.

And yet all focus is on the "but it might be difficult next month wah wah..."

Not that Im suggesting there is a long term plan, clearly there isnt. But there should be.

All this happening this week should have happened two years ago, imagine that...
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To decide whether or not short term pain is worth it we have to be clear about what the pain will entail and it's consequences. Then weigh it up against the likely long term benefits of exit.

The economy is fragile partly down to the uncertainty over brexit and the the weakened currency driving up certain costs. In London businesses are struggling to recruit to catering and care jobs because the EU citizens are disillusioned with the UK. People's jobs are on the line if the company they work for relies on European trade such as the car industry and then by association the steel industry in Wales. The Police are saying there may be increased security risks. Food safety and public health controls would be weakened without the cooperation of the EU.

Is that pain worth it weighed against the benefits? Greater control of our borders, signing our own trade deals and increasing the sovereignty of our parliament. I don't know the answer.

As a remainer my gut feeling says no. But you can understand why so many people are not willing to risk so much tangible short term pain for the mainly intangible long term gains, immigration aside.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
So Labour could push for a referendum, could make a difference and provide what the house needs to move on - but would rather play politics and chase power.

Even their own MPs dont know what the line is, many want to pursue it but get nothing but mixed messages from the top.

Kier Stamer today, CANT actually say they wont do it - would cause mutiny - but is squirming wriggling and worming around actually saying if they would.

This is a moment where proper opposition can show their colours and put the country first, and as predicted are not.
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Campbell is no fan of the Labour leadership, but he agrees that this wasn't the time to push for a people's vote. They won't until after May's deal has been put down for the last time (imo).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106177137311211521
 
StephenH said:
Cretin of the highest order.

here is the video o_O
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Was going to post the BBC link earlier but couldn't find anywhere totally appropriate (this is even lower than politics). As someone who's previously supported BJ, I'm incandescent at this.

A line has been crossed here. The man is indeed a CVNT!
 
mephitis said:
Was going to post the BBC link earlier but couldn't find anywhere totally appropriate (this is even lower than politics). As someone who's previously supported BJ, I'm incandescent at this.

A line has been crossed here. The man is indeed a CVNT!
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Shame his opinions are so hideous. They ruined the moment of a politician using the term "spaffed up a wall" when discussing sex crimes.
 
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mephitis said:
Was going to post the BBC link earlier but couldn't find anywhere totally appropriate (this is even lower than politics). As someone who's previously supported BJ, I'm incandescent at this.

A line has been crossed here. The man is indeed a CVNT!
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At least he's not even on the field any more for the next leadership contest in May. The thought of him as PM is pretty horrific.
 
Robspur12 said:
To decide whether or not short term pain is worth it we have to be clear about what the pain will entail and it's consequences. Then weigh it up against the likely long term benefits of exit.

The economy is fragile partly down to the uncertainty over brexit and the the weakened currency driving up certain costs. In London businesses are struggling to recruit to catering and care jobs because the EU citizens are disillusioned with the UK. People's jobs are on the line if the company they work for relies on European trade such as the car industry and then by association the steel industry in Wales. The Police are saying there may be increased security risks. Food safety and public health controls would be weakened without the cooperation of the EU.

Is that pain worth it weighed against the benefits? Greater control of our borders, signing our own trade deals and increasing the sovereignty of our parliament. I don't know the answer.

As a remainer my gut feeling says no. But you can understand why so many people are not willing to risk so much tangible short term pain for the mainly intangible long term gains, immigration aside.
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Absolutely, there should be more of a plan, an idea (ideal?) and something to drive toward.

And that being the case, then the "risk" is much more minimal, isnt it? Its a bump in the road, not the destination.

Though I have to be honest, the general thing I take away from most of the press etc about this is people dont want to risk ANY pain at all, ever.


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Campbell is no fan of the Labour leadership, but he agrees that this wasn't the time to push for a people's vote. They won't until after May's deal has been put down for the last time (imo).
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Because they are playing politics and power games, and not putting the UK first. As I said.

Look at what it is they think is the best way.

Vote down no deal in March (with no alternative)
Vote down leaving in March and to have an extension (without the power to actually provide said extension)
Go cap in hand to the EU to ask them to help bail out the mess (no doubt with some cost)
Try and get Mays deal through (it wont)
Push for a GE (50/50 Chance?)
Corbyn wins a minority and tries for his super special deal (its brick)
Doesnt have the juice to push it through the house
We end up back at square one
Oh, maybe we should go to the people now all the gamesmanship has provided fudge all?

Compared to being the opposition that put the people first and put power into their hands.
I wonder what would happen at the next GE after that?

[EDIT - A GE where Labour go in with a 'radical' manifesto pledging to nationalise industry to look after the people etc - having already proven their mettle]
 
I hope this deal goes through and then we have a GE after that where parties can put their ideas forward in a manifesto and lets see who wins.

I'm surprised Bercow didn't allow the amendment on ruling out a referendum, I'm pretty sure he's slightly on the remain side - obviously he's meant to be neutral.
 
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