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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Why?
Why is it acceptable for the opposition to tank government policy, pursue their own agenda - get it through - and, laughably, do so because they claim the government has no mandate - AND THEN wimp out of actually getting a mandate themselves.
How is any of that ok?
What if a no deal brexit is what people are willing to take? Anyone asked? Anyone care?
What if a GE gave whoever wins the appropriate mandate and majority to enact their version of things?
And what does it say about Labour that they wont risk losing, and would rather push their agenda through first?
Yes the timescales are tight, but are you really telling me that if Labour won on a remain/BINO ballot, that the EU wouldnt gleefully extend the deadline so things can get sorted? ANd, of course, if the Tories won on a hard brexit ballot - then there we are anyway.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Boris Johnson attacks Jeremy Corbyn for blocking a general election
The PM will accuse Jeremy Corbyn of "a cowardly insult to democracy" later for not backing a general election.
Boris Johnson - who sources say regards this as the first day of an election campaign - will say Mr Corbyn is denying the right of people to have their say.
On Wednesday, MPs blocked Mr Johnson's plan for an early election.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said Labour wanted an election but their priority was stopping a no-deal Brexit.
He also acknowledged there were splits in the party about the timing of a general election, saying that the leadership was in contact with legal experts and other opposition parties about what to do.
Speaking on BBC Breakfast, Mr McDonnell said he would prefer to have an election "later rather than sooner".
It comes as the government says a bill to stop a no-deal Brexit will complete its passage through the Lords on Friday.
The proposed legislation was passed by MPs on Wednesday, inflicting a defeat on Mr Johnson.
The bill says the prime minister will have until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit - and after that he will have to request an extension to the UK's departure date to 31 January 2020.
In a speech later, Mr Johnson will again attack what he calls "the surrender bill" for paving the way for more "dither and delay".
Number 10 said: "He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn's surrender bill will force the prime minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make.
"This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history - the 2016 referendum.
"The PM will not do this."
It is understood Mr Johnson will directly accuse Mr Corbyn of being "a coward".
It follows the prime minister's defeat on Wednesday over his plan to hold a snap general election on 15 October.
Labour and other opposition MPs would not back the move while the option of a no-deal Brexit on 31 October remained open to the PM.
Mr McDonnell said Labour will agree to a general election after they have ensured the legislation to protect against a no deal Brexit.
He told Radio 4's Today programme that Labour was "consulting" with other opposition parties "to determine the date" of a general election.
"The problem that we've got is that we cannot at the moment have any confidence in Boris Johnson abiding by any commitment or deal that we could construct, that's the truth of it," he said.
"So we are now consulting on whether it's better to go long therefore rather than to go short."
Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said she believed Mr Johnson could try to press ahead with a no-deal Brexit, despite the legislation.
"I do have confidence that the bill will get through the House of Lords," she said.
"But in the current circumstances where we find ourselves, where we've got a prime minister seemingly prepared to do anything to rip up the traditions of Parliamentary democracy, then I also think that we need to be very aware of the risks."
Meanwhile, The Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has warned Mr Johnson that he "cannot win an election, whenever it comes, if the Brexit Party stands against him".
However, if they were to make a pact during a general election "with a clear policy, we'd be unstoppable", he told BBC Breakfast.
The PM will accuse Jeremy Corbyn of "a cowardly insult to democracy" later for not backing a general election.
Boris Johnson - who sources say regards this as the first day of an election campaign - will say Mr Corbyn is denying the right of people to have their say.
On Wednesday, MPs blocked Mr Johnson's plan for an early election.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said Labour wanted an election but their priority was stopping a no-deal Brexit.
He also acknowledged there were splits in the party about the timing of a general election, saying that the leadership was in contact with legal experts and other opposition parties about what to do.
Speaking on BBC Breakfast, Mr McDonnell said he would prefer to have an election "later rather than sooner".
It comes as the government says a bill to stop a no-deal Brexit will complete its passage through the Lords on Friday.
The proposed legislation was passed by MPs on Wednesday, inflicting a defeat on Mr Johnson.
The bill says the prime minister will have until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit - and after that he will have to request an extension to the UK's departure date to 31 January 2020.
In a speech later, Mr Johnson will again attack what he calls "the surrender bill" for paving the way for more "dither and delay".
Number 10 said: "He will argue that Jeremy Corbyn's surrender bill will force the prime minister to go to Brussels and surrender to any demands they make.
"This would in essence overturn the biggest democratic vote in our history - the 2016 referendum.
"The PM will not do this."
It is understood Mr Johnson will directly accuse Mr Corbyn of being "a coward".
It follows the prime minister's defeat on Wednesday over his plan to hold a snap general election on 15 October.
Labour and other opposition MPs would not back the move while the option of a no-deal Brexit on 31 October remained open to the PM.
Mr McDonnell said Labour will agree to a general election after they have ensured the legislation to protect against a no deal Brexit.
He told Radio 4's Today programme that Labour was "consulting" with other opposition parties "to determine the date" of a general election.
"The problem that we've got is that we cannot at the moment have any confidence in Boris Johnson abiding by any commitment or deal that we could construct, that's the truth of it," he said.
"So we are now consulting on whether it's better to go long therefore rather than to go short."
Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson said she believed Mr Johnson could try to press ahead with a no-deal Brexit, despite the legislation.
"I do have confidence that the bill will get through the House of Lords," she said.
"But in the current circumstances where we find ourselves, where we've got a prime minister seemingly prepared to do anything to rip up the traditions of Parliamentary democracy, then I also think that we need to be very aware of the risks."
Meanwhile, The Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has warned Mr Johnson that he "cannot win an election, whenever it comes, if the Brexit Party stands against him".
However, if they were to make a pact during a general election "with a clear policy, we'd be unstoppable", he told BBC Breakfast.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Well he would say that wouldn't he?
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
So Jezza's been presented with a 'big girl's blouse' outside his house, apparently.
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Baleforce
Les Bennett
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
The Sun tried the stunt, handing it to him for a photo op, but an assistant took it first and nobbled them.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
PM's brother quits government
Tory MP Jo Johnson was a transport minister in Theresa May's government.
However, he quit his post in November 2018 over her handling of Brexit, and called instead for a further referendum.
He appeared at his brother's campaign events with their father Stanley, despite their differences over Brexit, appearing to give Boris his support.
And he was rewarded as a result, being brought back into government and becoming a minister.
But now he has resigned from government again, saying there is tension where he is torn between "family loyalty and the national interest".
He will also step down as an MP.
Tory MP Jo Johnson was a transport minister in Theresa May's government.
However, he quit his post in November 2018 over her handling of Brexit, and called instead for a further referendum.
He appeared at his brother's campaign events with their father Stanley, despite their differences over Brexit, appearing to give Boris his support.
And he was rewarded as a result, being brought back into government and becoming a minister.
But now he has resigned from government again, saying there is tension where he is torn between "family loyalty and the national interest".
He will also step down as an MP.
To be fair the 2 recent by elections would have results in wins for either of them if they'd had a pact between them.
There's probably quite a few seats with massive Labour majorities where Conservatives would make inroads but there's enough voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote tory so they wouldn't win them but if they stepped aside they would all vote for the brexit party. Doubt it will happen though.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Still made me chuckle.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Cant say I find it funny really. I think the media play a big part in what a pantomime politics has become.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I mostly agree. And I usually find the whole camping on someone's doorstep thing - even Corbyn's - completely beyond the pale.
At the same time though, I often can't help laughing when Jezza is ridiculed like this - he deserves it more than most.
StephenH
David Ginola
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
I figured it was the other way around
StephenH
David Ginola
The dog would hope to get them both rehomed sharpish?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Tories called it off, are allowing it through.
The idea being, I think, that once that gets in then Corbyn has no excuses to deny an election.
StephenH
David Ginola
not a hope
StephenH
David Ginola
they ran out of Quality Street