Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[monkeybarry]

GHod knows what sort of bureaucracy they will set up to administer that.

1000’s more civil servants gobbling up all the savings.

I. You can't demand process change but not be prepared for the admin - and that isn't free
II. At present it is via HMRC recovery
III. I expect it be partly at the point of annuity payment and, for those with other funds, via either a claim process to DWP or a recovery process via HMRC.
IV. The previous solution avoids your issue - link it solely to an existing means tested benefit
V. It was always going to be a trap for the next government when the Tories set it up - indeed, pretty sure I said so in this thread

 

[johnola]

I. You can't demand process change but not be prepared for the admin - and that isn't free
II. At present it is via HMRC recovery
III. I expect it be partly at the point of annuity payment and, for those with other funds, via either a claim process to DWP or a recovery process via HMRC.
IV. The previous solution avoids your issue - link it solely to an existing means tested benefit
V. It was always going to be a trap for the next government when the Tories set it up - indeed, pretty sure I said so in this thread

What is all this?

 

[monkeybarry]

What is all this?

a response to the concerns raised in your post

 

[johnola]

a response to the concerns raised in your post

I didn’t demand process change and winter fuel allowance has been around for decades.

But it was easily administered.

Now it isn’t.

 

[monkeybarry]

I didn’t demand process change and winter fuel allowance has been around for decades.

But it was easily administered.

Now it isn’t.

You bemoaned the likely creation of the mythical creation of "1000s of civil servants" to administer the change to winter fuel allowance.
I laid how that is a ridiculous statement and the delivery options available.

I may, however, have misunderstood your position - you seem to believe winter fuel payments should be a universal benefit, rather than means testing it so it supports those that need support and doesn't give public funds to people that can afford bills without it.

 

[johnola]

You bemoaned the likely creation of the mythical creation of "1000s of civil servants" to administer the change to winter fuel allowance.
I laid how that is a ridiculous statement and the delivery options available.

I may, however, have misunderstood your position - you seem to believe winter fuel payments should be a universal benefit, rather than means testing it so it supports those that need support and doesn't give public funds to people that can afford bills without it.

It’s your reply that is ridiculous.

How do you means test something and get cash into pockets of pensioners at the point when they need it ?

Previously it was distributed along with state pension to all - it was straightforward.

It’s a paper tiger and will need a lot of admin bods. Do they look at last years tax return? Is that fair?

And furthermore this is nothing to do with the Tories.

 

[monkeybarry]

It’s your reply that is ridiculous.

How do you means test something and get cash into pockets of pensioners at the point when they need it ?

Previously it was distributed along with state pension to all - it was straightforward.

It’s a paper tiger and will need a lot of admin bods. Do they look at last years tax return? Is that fair?

And furthermore this is nothing to do with the Tories.

My reply actually addresses the issues you've just stated - that makes it rather less than ridiculous.

So, your position is that all pensioners should get the payment and it not be means tested?

It is nothing to do with the Tories - I was mistaken and confusing it with something else.