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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Let’s just say

The Met had gone the alternative route of not suspending anyone. Not trying to decipher whether there are other rogue officers (of which there are an abundance)

Another Sarah Evererard happens

That has legal costs alongside it right? There would be a monumental lawsuit

Besides the human cost of negligently allowing such a crime to happen again. And a final nail in the coffin in terms of trust in policing?
 
LutonSpurs said:
No state should exist on the basis of religion, partition was a bad idea. Not the gothcya you expected is it. I am Kashmiri by ethnicity so believe me my people have suffered endlessly due to those ridiculous borders. It is a part of the reason we ended up in the UK (the only good bit)
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I didn't expect any kind of gotcha, just curious as to whether it's only Jewish people you don't want to have a home.
 
Lost Mango said:
Where does that end?

You take land to secure your core area, your core area is expanded so you take more land to protect that.

Absolutely bonkers concept for International relations.

How about you run a government that engages with your neighbours as humans so making your border safe by not being a grade 1 arsehole?
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Israel will engage as soon as the attacks and the rockets stop.

If their neighbours can't act like civilised human beings then why would Israel treat them as such?
 
Hoenstly it's getting boring making it clear to everyone here how intellectually bankrupt you are Scara. You'll be relieved when I take my next hiatus. Or you will actually take a moment and realise you are better off not posting nonsense as more and more on here see you for what you are.
 
scaramanga said:
Israel will engage as soon as the attacks and the rockets stop.

If their neighbours can't act like civilised human beings then why would Israel treat them as such?
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Perhaps if Israel treated their neighbours humanely in the first place (and this goes back to 1948) then the neighbours wouldn't be such a problem.

People tend to behave to expectation. Starve them, limit their ability to travel, to work, to seek medical aid, to improve their lot, to protect their families, and bizarrely, they don't like you and tend to show it.

And the lie you tell yourself that Israel are the good guys here and will engage honourably and with good intent if only those naughty Palestinians would behave is comedy gold. Israel gains little from not having a bogeyman at the door and if the Palestinians behave Israeli politicians would look for ways to provoke them as we see regularly with land grabs, desecration of the Al-Asqa mosque etc, every time there was movement on the 2 State solution like the Oslo accords.

Israel has a massive opportunity to eliminate Hamas here by being centrally involved in a good Samaritan way in the rebuilding of Gaza. Hamas is at a historic low in popularity (but not destroyed) but there is only one group of people on the ground in Gaza rebuilding houses, reopening schools and medical facilities. Instead of going in and helping, and saying "see, this wasn't about Palestinians, it was purely about Hamas" Israel is going along with Trump's real estate grab and the 'voluntary' :tearsofjoy: exile of the the entire Palestinian population from the area and leaving, again, probably deliberately, a massive gap in the realpolitik landscape that Hamas are re-filling.
 
Craig_J said:
In any other level of occupation (such as social work, care work, etc..) there’s certain standards that have to be maintained

If someone was offered a role suspected of what they are. If there was an element of doubt.. they would not be allowed to police

Obviously false allegations happen… but they are so, so rare.

If any officer has has repeated allegations made I want them gone.
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I would probably like to know what constitutes adverse information (TBH not looked into this case so it probably exists) and what the threshold is on it.

So without knowing that my "pinch of salt" comment which is anecdotal from a mate in the Met is that there are often reactive moves one way to the next, going from police actions on the street which impact stern policing and ultimately puts those on the beat off doing their job at risk of internal witch hunts.
 
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Lost Mango said:
Perhaps if Israel treated their neighbours humanely in the first place (and this goes back to 1948) then the neighbours wouldn't be such a problem.
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Yep which is the simple point I live by on this. Both have terrible records on this, raping and killing kiddies during so called peace times hardly paints the Israelis in a good light, not always a product of conflict which is the hall pass given on this stuff.

People take sides on this stuff through prejudice or treat it like football and pick a side, facts are both can do extremely better in the way they treat each other
 
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Craig_J said:
Let’s just say

The Met had gone the alternative route of not suspending anyone. Not trying to decipher whether there are other rogue officers (of which there are an abundance)

Another Sarah Evererard happens

That has legal costs alongside it right? There would be a monumental lawsuit

Besides the human cost of negligently allowing such a crime to happen again. And a final nail in the coffin in terms of trust in policing?
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There's a bit of a balance.

Obviously there is lots of bad behaviour, uncovered and not, in the police.

But equally you can't dismiss someone based on an unproven accusation. That just becomes a route for any spiteful ex to get a former partner sacked. You end up with this type of thing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67594993
 
LutonSpurs said:
This is about the right of return as ordained by GHod 3000 years ago. That was the question you avoided
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It's about putting them in what was essentially a wasteland until Israel developed it into something habitable.

It's about putting them in land that nobody wanted until some people decided they didn't want Jewish people to have it because their imaginary friend doesn't like them.
 
Lost Mango said:
Perhaps if Israel treated their neighbours humanely in the first place (and this goes back to 1948) then the neighbours wouldn't be such a problem.

People tend to behave to expectation. Starve them, limit their ability to travel, to work, to seek medical aid, to improve their lot, to protect their families, and bizarrely, they don't like you and tend to show it.

And the lie you tell yourself that Israel are the good guys here and will engage honourably and with good intent if only those naughty Palestinians would behave is comedy gold. Israel gains little from not having a bogeyman at the door and if the Palestinians behave Israeli politicians would look for ways to provoke them as we see regularly with land grabs, desecration of the Al-Asqa mosque etc, every time there was movement on the 2 State solution like the Oslo accords.

Israel has a massive opportunity to eliminate Hamas here by being centrally involved in a good Samaritan way in the rebuilding of Gaza. Hamas is at a historic low in popularity (but not destroyed) but there is only one group of people on the ground in Gaza rebuilding houses, reopening schools and medical facilities. Instead of going in and helping, and saying "see, this wasn't about Palestinians, it was purely about Hamas" Israel is going along with Trump's real estate grab and the 'voluntary' :tearsofjoy: exile of the the entire Palestinian population from the area and leaving, again, probably deliberately, a massive gap in the realpolitik landscape that Hamas are re-filling.
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Hamas is already rebuilding, it was a huge mistake to stop before they were completely destroyed. Unfortunately, most of the West doesn't have the stomach for what needs to be done.

I do think Israel should be a part of the rebuild but they can't be all the time Hamas are around. I suggest allowing the Palestinians one last chance to vote for a proper government, with Israel putting together a party to stand against Hamas. If they vote for Hamas, then the only hope is Trump's plan. If they vote for the other party, then rebuilding can start.
 
scaramanga said:
It's about putting them in what was essentially a wasteland until Israel developed it into something habitable.

It's about putting them in land that nobody wanted until some people decided they didn't want Jewish people to have it because their imaginary friend doesn't like them.
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"Wasteland"..."land nobody wanted"....

You are still the very best troll on this site, well played :D
 
scaramanga said:
It's about putting them in what was essentially a wasteland until Israel developed it into something habitable.

It's about putting them in land that nobody wanted until some people decided they didn't want Jewish people to have it because their imaginary friend doesn't like them.
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Waffle as usual. You really do not have any substance behind your ridiculous positions do you? It is fun seeing you make yourself look this silly online. Keep going
 
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