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Pedro Porro

papaspur said:
Most PL clubs don't get European football, but that doesn't mean we should settle. I get that it's a risk but as you said, some clubs can do better than others. It's not just a matter of rolling the dice as there is some methodology in scouting the right players. We can't afford to buy expensive (80m+) players.
I'm happy with the deal to do Porro. There is definitely a premium we are paying but he's a good player, and theoretically if he keeps improving and does well here, he'd be worth at least 60-80m. That seems to be about our limit.
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Atm we are still rebuilding, with several first team signings still required in the summer - i do think we're nearing the end of it though and so moving on from next season we should be in a position to start dropping big money on individuals. Maybe even this summer if there are some cheap/free players to cover a couple of positions we need. Pickford & Ndicka potentially covering GK & CB for 25m - could leave a chunk for the other CB position and then a loan for RWF or vice versa
 
billyiddo said:
Atm we are still rebuilding, with several first team signings required in the summer- i do think we're nearing the end of it and so moving on from next season we should be in a position to started dropping big money on individuals.
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I think this summer is when we do our van dijk deal
The ones that fixes the final gaps and pieces
 
billyiddo said:
Atm we are still rebuilding, with several first team signings still required in the summer - i do think we're nearing the end of it though and so moving on from next season we should be in a position to start dropping big money on individuals. Maybe even this summer if there are some cheap/free players to cover a couple of positions we need. Pickford & Ndicka potentially covering GK & CB for 25m - could leave a chunk for the other CB position and then a loan for RWF or vice versa
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We'll always be rebuilding. As it should be. It's just getting enough of the right pieces in place at the right time.
 
Lilbaz said:
We'll always be rebuilding. As it should be. It's just getting enough of the right pieces in place at the right time.
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Once you get to a certain point it's less rebuild and more refresh - we hopefully won't be needing, as a priority, to buy several first team players after the summer and can the pick & choose where to upgrade.
 
Lilbaz said:
Tomato tomato (doesn't really work in text).
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Disagree that it's essentially the same thing - if the team we go in to next season with proves to be strong and clicks in style with the manager then we'll go in to the following summers transfer window not needing to sign several players just to try & make things work - we can then looking to upgrade with genuine quality in a couple of positions with more money to play with per signing. Think where we were after 16/17 as opposed to 19/20

So more apples & oranges than tomato/tomato...
 
billyiddo said:
Disagree that it's essentially the same thing - if the team we go in to next season with proves to be strong and clicks in style with the manager then we'll go in to the following summers transfer window not needing to sign several players just to try & make things work - we can then looking to upgrade with genuine quality in a couple of positions with more money to play with per signing. Think where we were after 16/17 as opposed to 19/20

So more apples & oranges than tomato/tomato...
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Players will get old, not be deemed good enough. We'll always need 3-4 new players a season. Yes not a total rebuild but if parts of your castle are crumbling you need to rebuild them.

Anyway it's a moo point (like the cow) we're in agreement.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Football always has had a hierarchy
Making the step up a level is massive and very very hard to get right
Teams have spells where they are lunching above but it rarely lasts
I don’t know how old you are or how long you have followed spurs but sinuous remember Charlton I’m the premier league or league or Norwich when they were good?
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Not as long as most on here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about going after players like Endrick as we're well down the pecking order for his signature. Even if we could afford Jude Bellingham, same story... he'll have his choice of club to go to. Giovanni Reyna, though? I know he's American and that probably makes him less sought-after in England (call it the Pulisic Effect?), but that's someone I think we could go for if we ever needed an AM. My point is that I think we're a bit too passive when it comes to bringing in gettable targets. If we don't bring them in, some other team will. If we went in for Badiashile in the last 12 months, he might have been a player here instead of Chelsea.
Of course, with the new stadium and return to normalcy in terms of Covid, hopefully good things will come with a bit of patience on my end. I think most of us have a bad feeling about what Chelsea have done to the market though.
 
billyiddo said:
Disagree that it's essentially the same thing - if the team we go in to next season with proves to be strong and clicks in style with the manager then we'll go in to the following summers transfer window not needing to sign several players just to try & make things work - we can then looking to upgrade with genuine quality in a couple of positions with more money to play with per signing. Think where we were after 16/17 as opposed to 19/20

So more apples & oranges than tomato/tomato...
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Definitely agree. We went into the summer ideally wanting to upgrade in at least 4-5 starting positions. Needing upgrades for several roles in the squad outside the starting 11 too. We signed a lot of players, still going into January with many thinking that we needed several new starters. Not only because new signings didn't work out, but in areas that weren't as highly prioritised in the summer.

There's a stark and clear difference between that and needing a couple of starting players to "complete" the squad (I know we never reach a state of actual completion). Or needing a "refresh" of the squad.
 
papaspur said:
Not as long as most on here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about going after players like Endrick as we're well down the pecking order for his signature. Even if we could afford Jude Bellingham, same story... he'll have his choice of club to go to. Giovanni Reyna, though? I know he's American and that probably makes him less sought-after in England (call it the Pulisic Effect?), but that's someone I think we could go for if we ever needed an AM. My point is that I think we're a bit too passive when it comes to bringing in gettable targets. If we don't bring them in, some other team will. If we went in for Badiashile in the last 12 months, he might have been a player here instead of Chelsea.
Of course, with the new stadium and return to normalcy in terms of Covid, hopefully good things will come with a bit of patience on my end. I think most of us have a bad feeling about what Chelsea have done to the market though.
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We obviously haven't been passive (as such) with the gettable targets we have signed in the previous three windows.

Badiashile could have been a very good signing. But would probably have been instead of others that cost a similar amount. Bentancur, Kulusevski, Richarlison, Porro etc?

Would that have left us stronger, or just in a similar position? With people saying that we should have been decisive about signing someone else?

I think we've done well to be decisive, working on the highest priorities first. Can disagree about the order of those priorities of course. Can disagree on the specific targets/signings for those different roles of course. Disagreements like that always arise, particularly when with (short term) hindsight a player doesn't make the wanted impact. But for me those priorities and targets at least make sense on several levels.

Can understand a bad feeling based on what Chelsea have done. A team out spending us to that degree, it's a difficult challenge to deal with. But I don't think them spending like that says anything about our actual strategy working within our financial constraints.

I like Reyna. But I'm glad we went for Kulusevski. With our next big attacking signing we needed someone that could also play as a striker. That's not Reyna imo.
 
We could have kicked on by investing in the team the seasons before the CL final. Even if we didn't win the CL we would be a great prospect for aspiring football talents. And perhaps we would be able to reverse our slump and retain poch with a refreshed squad.

I think the same as this season. Only arsenal really kicking on from last season and the rest of the "hierarchy" in some sort of transition. Imagine if we'd got a couple of better players across priority positions.

Getting rid of players is easier if you have the financial muscle to cut losses. Next season with Man U, Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea sorted it will be harder is my anticipation. So it's critical for us to get top four this season, for us to be in the best position to attract the best players.

Enic is proud to be in the top 5 of spenders; I think we should be in the top four there too. Yes it gets riskier but that has always been the price of glory.

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metalgear said:
We could have kicked on by investing in the team the seasons before the CL final. Even if we didn't win the CL we would be a great prospect for aspiring football talents. And perhaps we would be able to reverse our slump and retain poch with a refreshed squad.

I think the same as this season. Only arsenal really kicking on from last season and the rest of the "hierarchy" in some sort of transition. Imagine if we'd got a couple of better players across priority positions.

Getting rid of players is easier if you have the financial muscle to cut losses. Next season with Man U, Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea sorted it will be harder is my anticipation. So it's critical for us to get top four this season, for us to be in the best position to attract the best players.

Enic is proud to be in the top 5 of spenders; I think we should be in the top four there too. Yes it gets riskier but that has always been the price of glory.

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We could have and it's a valid argument. We didn't though, we spent the money on a stadium that levy felt would give us guaranteed income.
 
metalgear said:
I think the same as this season. Only arsenal really kicking on from last season and the rest of the "hierarchy" in some sort of transition. Imagine if we'd got a couple of better players across priority positions.
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I think this season is a weird season. Chelsea, Liverpool, City and ourselves have been heavily impacted upon by fixture congestion pre World Cup. Juggling CL matches and league. We had to field our strongest teams which led to injuries, fatigue and dropped points.

Meanwhile Arsenal could rotate with the Europa League. They have been impressive but the sides outlined above would be a lot closer without the fixtures pileup.
 
metalgear said:
Enic is proud to be in the top 5 of spenders; I think we should be in the top four there too. Yes it gets riskier but that has always been the price of glory.

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Since the stadium opened only United Chelsea & Arsenal have spent more net than us - so there's your top 4...
 
metalgear said:
We could have kicked on by investing in the team the seasons before the CL final. Even if we didn't win the CL we would be a great prospect for aspiring football talents. And perhaps we would be able to reverse our slump and retain poch with a refreshed squad.

I think the same as this season. Only arsenal really kicking on from last season and the rest of the "hierarchy" in some sort of transition. Imagine if we'd got a couple of better players across priority positions.

Getting rid of players is easier if you have the financial muscle to cut losses. Next season with Man U, Emirates Marketing Project and Chelsea sorted it will be harder is my anticipation. So it's critical for us to get top four this season, for us to be in the best position to attract the best players.

Enic is proud to be in the top 5 of spenders; I think we should be in the top four there too. Yes it gets riskier but that has always been the price of glory.

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According to the club we spent 200m in the summer. Most reports have it a bit lower than that, but no doubt we spent a lot of money.

Imagine if we did more will always be true. What kind of spending would make you not say that?
 
Will be interesting to see when Porro gets his first minutes and first start for us. Emerson is doing really well, but we're expecting Porro to bring a different attacking level.

Any hot takes on when Porro gets his first minute of game time?
 
We spent 45m on making Royal good. Got a free player as well. Once who's perfect for teams who sit back.
 
braineclipse said:
According to the club we spent 200m in the summer. Most reports have it a bit lower than that, but no doubt we spent a lot of money.

Imagine if we did more will always be true. What kind of spending would make you not say that?
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That £200m figure is confusing. On an official statement they might massage the truth but aren't going to outright lie. But it does leave £40-50m unaccounted for even counting romero. Agents fees? Something else?
 
Lilbaz said:
That £200m figure is confusing. On an official statement they might massage the truth but aren't going to outright lie. But it does leave £40-50m unaccounted for even counting romero. Agents fees? Something else?
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Add in Kulus fee to the money we know we spent and it’s £200m
The club talk about the money they have committed on their response as they also talk about Porros fee in January
 
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