Paulinho

[glasgowspur]

How could he not fit into a system with bale? It's oft quoted with bale we were a one man team. That's not a system and had to change.
Signings were being made to implement that system. The wrong player it would seem.


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[DHSF]

Its funny, we all talk alot about how each individual player doesnt fit into the system be it Chiriches, Soldado, Paulinho et al yet what really escapes us is WHY THE **** ARE WE BUYING PLAYERS WHO DONT FIT INTO A SYSTEM. The blame simply lies with Baldini - seperate thread I know.

 

[NWND]

Its funny, we all talk alot about how each individual player doesnt fit into the system be it Chiriches, Soldado, Paulinho et al yet what really escapes us is WHY THE **** ARE WE BUYING PLAYERS WHO DONT FIT INTO A SYSTEM. The blame simply lies with Baldini - seperate thread I know.

Paulinho didn't fit into the Brazilian team's system in the word cup either though. He did when they were playing Al the ****ty friendlies and confederations cup *******s for two years but when they came up against decent teams they found that having a passenger in midfield didn't cut it.

Similarly Corinthians could afford a passenger in midfield as they were playing slow south American football.

Nothing to do with the system. He's just not that good and he's been found out in top level European and international football

 

[glasgowspur]

I think actually it was AVB. I really wanted AVB to do well. I liked him, he seemed a decent guy. in my eyes he was shabbily treated at Chelsea and any success would have been all the sweeter. But I can't see that AVB got the ethos of spurs or what we are all about.
When bale was sold I think he became obstinate and obstructive trying to prove a point. He should have accepted it was inevitable bale wanted to leave and planned for it.


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[Kingdawson]

Its funny, we all talk alot about how each individual player doesnt fit into the system be it Chiriches, Soldado, Paulinho et al yet what really escapes us is WHY THE **** ARE WE BUYING PLAYERS WHO DONT FIT INTO A SYSTEM. The blame simply lies with Baldini - seperate thread I know.

I agree.

 

[stinkfoot]

After having it pointed out....I also agree!

 

[Baleforce]

I'm with GS, I think AVB thought we'd have one more year out of bale as well, even at that valuation the deal weakened us, there was no amount of money we could take that would have left us in a stronger position, the only possible replacement for bale that would have been a match was Ronaldo and that was impossible

 

[DHSF]

I just think Baldini, for some reason, has got away with it. I just simply think some of the players we spent money on were a joke. Now were they AVB signings? I dont know. Paulinho, Chiriches and Soldado is around 40-55m worth of 'talent' now whilst I like Soldado and think he is excellent unfortunately if he didnt and does not fit into a specific formation then it all becomes a bit meh and redundant but lumbered with them.

 

[glasgowspur]

We never will know mores the pity.
Paulinho and Soldado could be moved on without to much pain but yeah I reckon we could well be lumbered with vlad. Pity I had high hopes for him but I think to much damage has been done.


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[Libero]

Not a fan at all and would be very much in favour of moving him on.......maybe PSG fancy a swap deal with Cabaye seen as they like paying overinflated prices for Brazilian players.

 

[clevelandspur]

Its funny, we all talk alot about how each individual player doesnt fit into the system be it Chiriches, Soldado, Paulinho et al yet what really escapes us is WHY THE **** ARE WE BUYING PLAYERS WHO DONT FIT INTO A SYSTEM. The blame simply lies with Baldini - seperate thread I know.

Spot on! THis seems to be more of a modern argument with all the overemphasis on formations etc. The bottom line is the better the player the easier they will adapt to whatever system you are playing. It is a double standard I am not saying Kane is world class but he has been played in different roles and formations and always manages to make an impact when he is played so why should more experienced players like Paulinho and Soldado be given a "pass" for not fitting into a certain formation?

 

[Yiddo]

Who says it was Baldini that wanted to bring in Paulinho? as usual its all second guessing.

 

[NWND]

Spot on! THis seems to be more of a modern argument with all the overemphasis on formations etc. The bottom line is the better the player the easier they will adapt to whatever system you are playing. It is a double standard I am not saying Kane is world class but he has been played in different roles and formations and always manages to make an impact when he is played so why should more experienced players like Paulinho and Soldado be given a "pass" for not fitting into a certain formation?

Exactly! Nail on head! It annoys me that people make excuses non-stop for Soldado, saying firstly he's not suited to AVB's tactics, then he's not suited to Sherwood's tactics, now he's not suited to Poch's tactics. Okay, Kane didn't play under AVB, but under both Sherwood and Poch he's going from strength to strength in a variety of teams and formations. He always does well.

There are other players like Chadli, Lamela and Capoue that started off shaky but are growing and getting better. Soldado and Paulinho started off poorly, stayed poorly or got worse under Sherwood and are still at that level under Poch.

You can say they might be good in this system or that, but they've been poor in 3 different systems and under 3 different managers. I'm inclined to believe they're both just poor players. Or at least, poor when compared to the level of player you need to compete for the top 4.

 

[billyiddo]

Exactly! Nail on head! It annoys me that people make excuses non-stop for Soldado, saying firstly he's not suited to AVB's tactics, then he's not suited to Sherwood's tactics, now he's not suited to Poch's tactics. Okay, Kane didn't play under AVB, but under both Sherwood and Poch he's going from strength to strength in a variety of teams and formations. He always does well.

There are other players like Chadli, Lamela and Capoue that started off shaky but are growing and getting better. Soldado and Paulinho started off poorly, stayed poorly or got worse under Sherwood and are still at that level under Poch.

You can say they might be good in this system or that, but they've been poor in 3 different systems and under 3 different managers. I'm inclined to believe they're both just poor players. Or at least, poor when compared to the level of player you need to compete for the top 4.

There are other players like Chadli, Lamela and Capoue that started off shaky but are growing and getting better. Soldado and Paulinho started off poorly, stayed poorly or got worse under Sherwood and are still at that level under Poch.

i think you're re writing things a little bit there - a lot of people would have been happy to see the back of all three of those players this summer, there was no 'growing or getting better' for them last season - the same as Paulinho or Soldado. If there's anything to take from the former 3 players reassurance it's that writing players off after one season is a fools game.

 

[LCLC]

Totally agree with the above - trying to justify his purchase with a specific system in mind..... He is a CM who can't tackle, run or pass. He won't fit any system we use, nor will he look better around different players. You cannot have a CM who goes missing, is technically poor and has zero defensive discipline at any level of football. Essentially yet again, we haven't scouted well enough and clearly bought at an inflated price due some industrious displays in confed cup.

 

[metalgear]

Who says it was Baldini that wanted to bring in Paulinho? as usual its all second guessing.

lots of speculation but i've asked this as well. since baldini's arrival we are paying full price for established players so not sure if he is that useful. also we don't seem to be able to sell them easily. could be that its a purchase by committee but i think avb made it clear that he had the wrong players and did the best with them then. as we see now poch is struggling with the same.

 

[sc25]

lots of speculation but i've asked this as well. since baldini's arrival we are paying full price for established players so not sure if he is that useful. also we don't seem to be able to sell them easily. could be that its a purchase by committee but i think avb made it clear that he had the wrong players and did the best with them then. as we see now poch is struggling with the same.

Doesn't seem like Poch is struggling too much when people hail Fazio, Dier and Stambouli as 'great signings by Poch'. I'm starting to think its only ever a Baldini signing when the player doesn't pan out.

 

[metalgear]

Doesn't seem like Poch is struggling too much when people hail Fazio, Dier and Stambouli as 'great signings by Poch'. I'm starting to think its only ever a Baldini signing when the player doesn't pan out.

true we need to be consistent, and from the way i see it, its a signing by committee. however let's imagine the best men for the job setup :
- coach: provides player attributes
- negotiator: goes for best price
- chairman: stretching the dollar/pound for best value

paulinho is not the player we need, we paid a lot for an unproven entity (only played with stars), and did we really have to gamble all the bale money across 7 speculative buys as opposed to 3 proven players from the EPL?

in the current setup i can't fault avb/poch (sherwood not considered as a stand-in; anyways should've asked for back up at LB but didnt. dingdonghead) i think that working together in that committee is important but can't help but feel that the manager has the least say, and they are starting to work better this year with stambouli and fazio looking like they will fit in, that first year was a disaster for me, very risky and speculative, and that has hampered out ability to afford players this year.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Doesn't seem like Poch is struggling too much when people hail Fazio, Dier and Stambouli as 'great signings by Poch'. I'm starting to think its only ever a Baldini signing when the player doesn't pan out.

There have been people hailing the Fazio, Stambouli and Dier signings as the work of Poch? What gave them that idea?

 

[SpurMeUp]

Paulinho can still have a role to play, maybe in the second half of the season. Not sure his lack of awareness and inability to hassle and tackle effectively will every be solved, limiting his role for Poch. But he can still do things for us. We know he can score goals....