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OT: What next for Harry?

it would alter the perception of the season, but it would still have raised the question whether to replace the manager or not, imv

Agree with this also. In fact, given my personal expectations at the start of the season (and the first two defeats meant little to me in context) I would've been mortified to be mid-table at Xmas.

This season, however "double-standard" it appears, I would accept that time is necessary if the same situation is taking place. I don't now a side in world football who could lose Modric and not suffer, ditto Ledley, let alone then lose VdV AND see Kaboul out until basically Xmas while trying to implement a new system!
 
Lets face it, he could donate £10m to a cancer charity, give pints of blood to sick people, save a woman and her dog from a burning building all in the same day, and some people would still find a way to have a pop at him.
 
Agree with this also. In fact, given my personal expectations at the start of the season (and the first two defeats meant little to me in context) I would've been mortified to be mid-table at Xmas.

This season, however "double-standard" it appears, I would accept that time is necessary if the same situation is taking place. I don't now a side in world football who could lose Modric and not suffer, ditto Ledley, let alone then lose VdV AND see Kaboul out until basically Xmas while trying to implement a new system!


it isn't double standards at all, unless someone chooses to be particularly ignorant to the facts.


and Jurgen, why the need for a comment like that when the past couple of three pages have been pretty reasoned? (compared to the usual run of things anyway)
 
but why shouldnt we judge AVb just like harry was being judged when he first came here? and fo instance if bale coming off the flank considered by many to be a move that proved Harry to be clueless.....why shouldnt AVB be measured under the same magnifying glass

and redknapp had 4 seasons to do his thing..shave 8 games . but in the 2nd season he got 4th. you dont think its unfair to raise expectations based on the good work of a good manager and when the manager doesnt meet the criteria tha he himself set (oh actually sorry i think he did. 4th was the target and we got it) then its fair to dismiss him?

heh, this isnt going to get resolved cause what you want is for me to follow your idea of fairness. and IMO the idea of showing the door to someone that got you to where you are just cause of a few months of poor play is not fair in the slightest. yet you say fairness in that we shouldnt judge AVB harshly when he does things that redknapp wouldnt get away with. I find that heavily one sided

harry redknapp won his sceptics over almost straight away, maybe AVB should do the same....i must say though, he's running out of easy games to do it in. the first game and a half under AVB was very promising.....the half was poor. that game against norwhich was poisonous.....no clue what we wanted to do or where we were going.....just side to side and predictable...and couldnt even track them ........sigh. aye.

(this next bit here is me being unfair to AVB)
it was up to Harry to get people off his back and he did it early....he maintained it and created followers. AVB should be given an easy start for what reason? this is a multi billion pound industry , that man gets paid millions, he better get out there and get some results sharpish. babying him cause he's the new guy? puh-lease....people pay good money to watch us and you're rewarding them with what exactly? get it sorted or you should hit the road

now THAT is unfair.

=D>
 
it isn't double standards at all, unless someone chooses to be particularly ignorant to the facts.


and Jurgen, why the need for a comment like that when the past couple of three pages have been pretty reasoned? (compared to the usual run of things anyway)

Your right, it was a silly comment. But there is some element of truth to it. I mean people are slating him for helping Bournemouth out FOR FREE. Probably best if I bow out of this thread.
 
it would alter the perception of the season, but it would still have raised the question whether to replace the manager or not, imv


so if we finished the season with 11 wins and 1 draw you would still feel that the manager needed replacing, despite the promise of a summer and potential reinforcemnets?
Damn man, thats some seeeriously cold bullets
 
so if we finished the season with 11 wins and 1 draw you would still feel that the manager needed replacing, despite the promise of a summer and potential reinforcemnets?
Damn man, thats some seeeriously cold bullets


well as it's all hypothetical i couldn't say for any certainty - maybe id be the total opposite of what im saying - but i'd say there would be cause for concern if things panned out like that
 
Agree with this also. In fact, given my personal expectations at the start of the season (and the first two defeats meant little to me in context) I would've been mortified to be mid-table at Xmas.

This season, however "double-standard" it appears, I would accept that time is necessary if the same situation is taking place. I don't now a side in world football who could lose Modric and not suffer, ditto Ledley, let alone then lose VdV AND see Kaboul out until basically Xmas while trying to implement a new system!

hmm, i wonder if people factored in the england job , injuries, and lack of form when thinking harry should go.......nah, chances are that they saw we didnt make CL cause of a bad 2 and half months and decided the best manager we have ever had in the premiership should go.

if AVB gets lower than 6th his head should be looking out for Clint eastwood to bail him out with rifle

6th is my level. we have a squad that can easily grab 6th .....and with an alleged genious of a manager / tactician (not that anyone has seen it in this country), this man should get 6th.

if he doesnt he has failed
 
Have arguments with my brother as he is adamant that we should have been closer to the title last season and was happy for Harry to go as in his eyes he fcuked up
our CL place at the very least.

I take the view that during those 3 full seasons, we were consistent, played fantastic football, and we often won against the top 4(ex Man u). Last season, we were soundly beaten in the first two games against the best two teams in the league, then look at the great run we were on.
There was only one place up for grabs for us to reach the pinnacle of our achievement last year and for years to come. The fine line between success and failure in this case was negligible.

I also think people expectations were suddenly raised as fans thought the demise of Arsenal was imminent and third was a certainty. Wenger has got them to the CL 15 seasons in a row, even though we look at their team and think its a pile of crap.
 
The England thing isnt an excuse, its a very valid reason to sack Harry - not make allowances.

He completely neglected his role as manager of the club because he thought he was set for better things.

I have no issue with him wanting the England role, but I do have massive issue with doing that.
 
injuries and lack of form (ie no suitable cover) are the managers department which was definitely factored in to my appraisal of the situation and the England job scenario, i believe, is one of the main marks against him for those that were in favor of him being replaced so i don't quite agree with you saying it was merely down to missing out on CL there mate

in fact a last minute winner against Villa in the penultimate game, imho would have majorly papered of the cracks that had been forming over the past 3, 4 months or so
 
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Have arguments with my brother as he is adamant that we should have been closer to the title last season and was happy for Harry to go as in his eyes he fcuked up
our CL place at the very least.

I take the view that during those 3 full seasons, we were consistent, played fantastic football, and we often won against the top 4(ex Man u). Last season, we were soundly beaten in the first two games against the best two teams in the league, then look at the great run we were on.
There was only one place up for grabs for us to reach the pinnacle of our achievement last year and for years to come. The fine line between success and failure in this case was negligible.

I also think people expectations were suddenly raised as fans thought the demise of Arsenal was imminent and third was a certainty. Wenger has got them to the CL 15 seasons in a row, even though we look at their team and think its a pile of crap.

You're brother was clearly uspet by not making CL and so he should be(i directed my hated towards mario gomez)...fact is that Harry allowed him to get that excited in the first place. maybe if we were bouncing between 7th and 4th then finished 4th he would be happier. rather than going on a beast of a run and looking like title contenders.

whats the tottenham motto again? something about failing while aiming high....i forget these things sometimes
 
whats the tottenham motto again? something about failing while aiming high....i forget these things sometimes

Funny thing you mention that, one of the over riding things I always felt when talking to pro-Harry sorts is that they seemed to completely buy his "This is as good as it gets" line. Somewhat contrary to the old quote...
 
The England thing isnt an excuse, its a very valid reason to sack Harry - not make allowances.

He completely neglected his role as manager of the club because he thought he was set for better things.

I have no issue with him wanting the England role, but I do have massive issue with doing that.

Back from the dead i see Raz al Ghul

the england job was something he wanted, IMO he dropped the ball on that one. He took his eyes of the prize and stiood on the street corner waiting for a pick up while we were doing badly....the correlation was too much. it clearly played a part

and becuase i knew he wanted the job anyway, i could possible see him not getting the job as an opportunity to keep the best manager we had cause the possibilities become grander...i.e now the england job isnt there we get to keep our best manager...not sack him

were people okay with jol getting the boot cause he wanted to go to Saudi Sportswashing Machine? and allegedly he did it behind levy's back
 
hmm, i wonder if people factored in the england job , injuries, and lack of form when thinking harry should go.......nah, chances are that they saw we didnt make CL cause of a bad 2 and half months and decided the best manager we have ever had in the premiership should go.

if AVB gets lower than 6th his head should be looking out for Clint eastwood to bail him out with rifle

6th is my level. we have a squad that can easily grab 6th .....and with an alleged genious of a manager / tactician (not that anyone has seen it in this country), this man should get 6th.

if he doesnt he has failed

Yes they did.
In fact that was PRECISELY the crux of it. And this is where you get even angrier at something I'm about to express, but hey, here we are, and hopefully we can DISCUSS it and DISAGREE with some decency.
Harry, IMO, did nothing to distance himself from the England job. He did nothing to insulate himself from the cacophony around him. Instead he flat out denied it had any influence on the payers at all, when his own lieutenants disagreed with him on that score!
Injuries...they happen. He had no worse a run of injuries than Wenger. And he he had (arguably) a more experienced squad. One of his big tickets was squad rotation, something he did very well in the CL qualification year (with players such as Gudjohnsen and Kranjcar being elevated to vital roles). He shifted Pienaar when he could've been a very very important squad rotated player, he froze Kranjcar out, he was absolutely unable to get Pav to function and he wore Parker into the ground when there were options. Further, compared to even earlier in the same season, his tactical nous when going to, say, the Emirates was absolutely 100% lacking. We hammere3d Newcash the week before 5-0, played amazing football with 4-4-2 but were playing a side shorn of Tiote and Cabaye who still came to ours 4-4-2 and who's manager, Pardew, subsequently admitted was a massive error on HIS part. I know I go on about the emirates, but it was a clear CLEAR indication that he was not at the races. We found ourselves 2-0 up despite being outplayed beyond the first 10 minutes, Harry said himself afterwards that he saw us getting overrun and felt perhaps he should make a change, but he didn't. Ledders was hurting that day and we did nothing to protect him! Instead, we went 4-3-3 second-half!!!!

I undertand there will be dips, but not for two and a half months. And don't forget the previous season's two and a half month dip either.

Do I recognize there were great moments? of course! Said so many times. But it's churlish to think that anyone who criticized Harry Redknapp didn't consider those aspects, when there are literally thousands of written words detailing concerns over those precise elements mate...
 
injuries and lack of form (ie no suitable cover) are the managers department which was definitely factored in to my appraisal of the situation and the England job scenario, i believe, is one of the main marks against him for those that were in favor of him being replaced so i don't quite agree with you saying it was merely down to missing out on CL there mate

in fact a last minute winner against Villa in the penultimate game, imho would have majorly papered of the cracks that had been forming over the past 3, 4 months or so

so whats he supposed to do about cover when he isnt given proper money to get them? we just dont have the people. He cant get them ou of thin air
 
Funny thing you mention that, one of the over riding things I always felt when talking to pro-Harry sorts is that they seemed to completely buy his "This is as good as it gets" line. Somewhat contrary to the old quote...

hahahaaa, nooo way...am not having this LOL......you are talking about TWO guys...dear lord..base a whole population on a sample set of 2 (sorry mick, MK..love your stance on this topic to bits)
 
Back from the dead i see Raz al Ghul

the england job was something he wanted, IMO he dropped the ball on that one. He took his eyes of the prize and stiood on the street corner waiting for a pick up while we were doing badly....the correlation was too much. it clearly played a part

and becuase i knew he wanted the job anyway, i could possible see him not getting the job as an opportunity to keep the best manager we had cause the possibilities become grander...i.e now the england job isnt there we get to keep our best manager...not sack him


were people okay with jol getting the boot cause he wanted to go to Saudi Sportswashing Machine? and allegedly he did it behind levy's back

Thank you.
As for the last bit...how could you ever, ever trust him again? Or would that not be important?
 
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