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***OMT - Tottenham vs Galatasaray***

DubSpur said:
Games like this are a learning curve, but they only play a handful of them in the season. They need to be playing in games that matter week in week out to learn. Loans are the place to do that.
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Well, we need to kill teams off quicker in the league, rather d*cking about in the first half, playing slow ponderous football, creating zero chances and provide the time for these youngsters to come on as subs when the game is buried.

But we don't, we barely string two good halves together and when we do get a lead to play with, half the time Ange brings them on with 5 mins to go, so learn almost nothing.
 
SkipRat said:
I don't blame grey for being played way out of position as LB, because Spurs were to stupid to leave Reg a LB off the list and Djed a RB (Although is injured IIRC) out of the squad list.

Lankshear was isolated by the shower of shyte around him. Nothing from Son, Johnson (despite the 1 cross for him that lead to the goal), Maddison and Bergvall.

Only Bergvall I will point a finger at for the youngsters. The rest were senior players with no excuses.

And Ange... We should have played a 4-2-3-1 and had bit more solidity in midfield... Even then, the way we performed it probably wouldn't have helped...

And what the F*ck are the coaches teaching? Seriously, far too many times we look like we don't have a clue what we are doing... We blast the ball to players who only feet away, over hit, play behind far too often... I really honestly think our coaches are a real real problem.
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I think you need to calm down and see the bigger picture. You tend to easily start insulting the Spurs team. I trust this is not how you react to disappointment in real life especially if you are a leader.
 
Game panned out almost exactly like I predicted. They would be very much up for it, and cause us problems. It was about keeping the score down, and we'd get chances in the latter stages. Unfortunately, the pressure was too much, and we made too many mistakes. Shipping 3 goals, it takes a lot to come back, especially in an away game in Istanbul, with 10 men.

I wouldn't be too harsh with the youngsters. It's not an easy ground to play in as an away player. Takes a really tough cookie not to be affected. It was the more senior players that lacked balls, especially in the first half. When you play a team with several young and inexperienced players, you need your senior players to step up, show the way and 'protect' the youngster. None of them did, and the youngsters were left to themselves.

Anyway, at least we fought back, and losing this isn't the end of the world. Move on to the next, with some really useful experience from this.
 
afsoc4life said:
I think you need to calm down and see the bigger picture. You tend to easily start insulting the Spurs team. I trust this is not how you react to disappointment in real life especially if you are a leader.
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Okay, so that was an amazing performance then and no one did wrong, it was awesome and I love to see more of this week in week out.

It was so brilliant, it's just the sort of performance we can win the league or cup with, games like this....

And the coaches are doing fantastic job, teaching us how to play great football and play with the right attitude. We looked so organised, and looked as though we knew exactly what we was doing.

We kept the ball well, didn't give them many chances and the defence was on form...

COYS!!
 
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Kandi1977 said:
Game panned out almost exactly like I predicted. They would be very much up for it, and cause us problems. It was about keeping the score down, and we'd get chances in the latter stages. Unfortunately, the pressure was too much, and we made too many mistakes. Shipping 3 goals, it takes a lot to come back, especially in an away game in Istanbul, with 10 men.

I wouldn't be too harsh with the youngsters. It's not an easy ground to play in as an away player. Takes a really tough cookie not to be affected. It was the more senior players that lacked balls, especially in the first half. When you play a team with several young and inexperienced players, you need your senior players to step up, show the way and 'protect' the youngster. None of them did, and the youngsters were left to themselves.

Anyway, at least we fought back, and losing this isn't the end of the world. Move on to the next, with some really useful experience from this.
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Agreed. Was always going to be a tough game. Most of our first choice players in need of rotation, then also missing some more players to injuries like Richarlison Werner, Odobert.

When we then conceded early and a couple of the players who should be rather good having very much off games it became a struggle game.

It happens in these circumstances. We still showed some quality, gave game time to players who need it. Move on.
 
The main problem was that Bergvall and Maddison were slow and floppy in the first half, so Biss was left to run the entire midfield himself, and our forwards were starved, and our defence were there for the taking.
On top of that, Porro played his worst game for ages and Dragusin got worse and worse.
So yeah, there were big issues, but it was easy to see why, and those issues will hopefully be addressed and I think we all feel that Ange should have started one of Sarr/Bentancur/Deki in the midfield 3.

Before the game, the main aim was not to get hammered 4-0 and not to get injuries, which we achieved.
 
Mikey10 said:
We could very easily have been 10-1 down, and that is not an exaggeration. We were a mixture of terrible and terribly naive for large swathes of that game.
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Don't think we were naive. Think Ange knew we were in for a difficult game, but chose to rotate and trust some younger players. Good. Seemingly stuck to that plan at half time taking off Son and John. Good. Trusting Gray, Bergvall and Lankshear in a difficult game. Good.

The naive thing would have been to play a stronger team, exhausting players that will start come the weekend.

It's just that Dragusin is a bit of a liability when under pressure and Maddison is off form at the moment.
 
Bullet said:
The main problem was that Bergvall and Maddison were slow and floppy in the first half, so Biss was left to run the entire midfield himself, and our forwards were starved, and our defence were there for the taking.
On top of that, Porro played his worst game for ages and Dragusin got worse and worse.
So yeah, there were big issues, but it was easy to see why, and those issues will hopefully be addressed and I think we all feel that Ange should have started one of Sarr/Bentancur/Deki in the midfield 3.

Before the game, the main aim was not to get hammered 4-0 and not to get injuries, which we achieved.
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That’s exactly how it sounded on the radio
Never heard certain players mentioned unless it was them losing it or winning a free kick
Betgvall, Maddison and son were the main missing men (I didn’t see it at all)
The guys on the radio didn’t get the changes but in my head it was a 4-2-3-1 set up
 
braineclipse said:
Don't think we were naive. Think Ange knew we were in for a difficult game, but chose to rotate and trust some younger players. Good. Seemingly stuck to that plan at half time taking off Son and John. Good. Trusting Gray, Bergvall and Lankshear in a difficult game. Good.

The naive thing would have been to play a stronger team, exhausting players that will start come the weekend.

It's just that Dragusin is a bit of a liability when under pressure and Maddison is off form at the moment.
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Having not see it this may be tenuous but the commentators on the radio said the pitch was bad and our CBs didn’t adjust to it
 
braineclipse said:
Don't think we were naive. Think Ange knew we were in for a difficult game, but chose to rotate and trust some younger players. Good. Seemingly stuck to that plan at half time taking off Son and John. Good. Trusting Gray, Bergvall and Lankshear in a difficult game. Good.

The naive thing would have been to play a stronger team, exhausting players that will start come the weekend.

It's just that Dragusin is a bit of a liability when under pressure and Maddison is off form at the moment.
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It wasn't the youngster fault, the problem was the more senior players.

And what was worrying is how sh*t we played. We should have had some resemblance of the ability to string two passes together without giving it away. Defend as a coherent unity, attack as one...

We showed nothing of this... It was just outright chaos... Even the starting 11 created nothing against Villa in the first half, and we looked just as bad against Palace.

There is something seriously wrong with our coaches and what they are training... Even with youngsters, I have never see Spurs so disorganised, sloppy, and chaotic.

It is seriously worrying...

I have no qualms against us losing if we gave it something, and on paper we had a strong team in theory.... But the manner of it all, not, just no, something is very wrong.
 
afsoc4life said:
The reaction to this match is humourous. I fully understand why we played with the team selection today. We lost at Turkey. We move on.
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For me, its not about the result. It's about the performance. I too understood the team selection, it was a game we could afford to lose so Ange took the gamble and I'm pleased he did. I thought this was a game we could lose even if we went full strength so I'm not bothered about the result. But the performance was beyond awful. I would expect our full U18's to pass the ball better than we did tonight. We cause all our own problems by failing at the basics.

So yeah, we lost against a good opponent in a hostile atmosphere. Move on. But I can't believe any fan watching that wasn't alarmed by that performance regardless of all the factors at play. Palace away was only marginally better, Brighton 2nd half too.

We have a problem away from home, especially when teams press us. This needs to be addressed.
 
Baleforce said:
Having read the match thread I’m glad I missed it.

We don’t always have to play out from the back.

Hope Billy got back to his hotel ok.
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Sat on the bus waiting to leave the stadium car park.

Cracking atmosphere, decent turnout from the Spurs fans - brick performance until we went *a man* behind but could have nicked an equaliser in the end.

COYS
 
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Spoonman said:
For me, its not about the result. It's about the performance. I too understood the team selection, it was a game we could afford to lose so Ange took the gamble and I'm pleased he did. I thought this was a game we could lose even if we went full strength so I'm not bothered about the result. But the performance was beyond awful. I would expect our full U18's to pass the ball better than we did tonight. We cause all our own problems by failing at the basics.

So yeah, we lost against a good opponent in a hostile atmosphere. Move on. But I can't believe any fan watching that wasn't alarmed by that performance regardless of all the factors at play. Palace away was only marginally better, Brighton 2nd half too.

We have a problem away from home, especially when teams press us. This needs to be addressed.
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It’s not unreasonable to expect us to approach such games in a different way is it?

Sometimes you have to play to not lose.

I’m not fussed about tonight specifically, but I want pragmatism.
 
braineclipse said:
Don't think we were naive. Think Ange knew we were in for a difficult game, but chose to rotate and trust some younger players. Good. Seemingly stuck to that plan at half time taking off Son and John. Good. Trusting Gray, Bergvall and Lankshear in a difficult game. Good.

The naive thing would have been to play a stronger team, exhausting players that will start come the weekend.

It's just that Dragusin is a bit of a liability when under pressure and Maddison is off form at the moment.
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I’ve got no problem at all with the team selection. I do think it was naive to go to one of the most hostile away grounds in Europe, with a team made up mostly of teenagers and 2nd XI players, and set out to play the way that we always want to. We only really made an adjustment when forced into it having gone down to 10 men…and, hey presto, we have our best spell of the game.

It’s not a disaster tonight - but I worry that it shows again a lack of pragmatism from Ange which could bite us further into cup competitions, when sometimes it’s just about riding out difficult periods in a game with minimal risks taken.

That said, with our first team out, I do think we would have beaten them.
 
glasgowspur said:
No point throwing young players in and then trying to play another way.
They need to learn the system, this was a good opportunity.
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I disagree. You play the board in front of you.

How do we get a result today.

Learn the systems (and it absolutely has to be plural) in training, use the best fit in the games.
 
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