Omt - Tottenham vs Boro

[glasgowspur]

I respect your posts immensely fella but youre wrong if you think our brickness is on Kane.

We are so reliant on him not just to score but also it seems to assist. He scores, he creates and he sets the tempo of our games, he gets back and defends at set pieces and still fans have a go at him. As @Finney Is Back says when this guy goes we will be fighting relegation. I have absolutely no doubt that he would be winning trophies if he went to any one in the top 4.

I'm but relegation talk is just complete nonsense.
We won the won the first three games of the season without him, and tanked when he came back.
We got through the qf and sf of the CL without him and tanked in the final with him.
Harry Kane is undoubtedly our best player, its close between him and bale as our best player in the PL era imho, but relegation talk is nonsense.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I respect your posts immensely fella but youre wrong if you think our brickness is on Kane.

We are so reliant on him not just to score but also it seems to assist. He scores, he creates and he sets the tempo of our games, he gets back and defends at set pieces and still fans have a go at him. As @Finney Is Back says when this guy goes we will be fighting relegation. I have absolutely no doubt that he would be winning trophies if he went to any one in the top 4.

I do think there’s merit in the argument that Kane doesn’t always turn up when it matters, just look at his record in finals for Spurs and England. That being said, I’m not sure why some continually dig him and Son out when we lose a football match. They are by far our best players and have been for a number of years. They could literally play for any team in the league. They both score goals, create chances, work hard and have intelligence.

 

[billyiddo]

Here she is, right on cue...

Must have missed him after the Leeds game...

 

[Aldo]

Always thought we should have signed Howson from Leeds. He was Jack Grealish 10 years earlier

Prove it. He's had one half decent game. Revisionist gonads.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm sure looking back over their careers players wont care how much money was spent to win their medals. No more than if you were a banker you would feel wrong about wanting to work for the likes of Goldman Sachs rather than a small investment bank.

Of course
It’s why some really bad players have won a lot of trophies
And it’s why some players are remembered for being elite whereas others are forgotten but have a booming trophy cabinet

 

[Jurgen the German]

I'm but relegation talk is just complete nonsense.
We won the won the first three games of the season without him, and tanked when he came back.
We got through the qf and sf of the CL without him and tanked in the final with him.
Harry Kane is undoubtedly our best player, its close between him and bale as our best player in the PL era imho, but relegation talk is nonsense.

We scored two goals that were crosses and a penalty in the first three games. Yes we got to the CL final with some gutsy performances but we had elements of luck in both rounds Kane missed. No one turned up in the final other than Winks and Rose. Kane wasn’t match fit

 

[Robspur12]

I'm but relegation talk is just complete nonsense.
We won the won the first three games of the season without him, and tanked when he came back.
We got through the qf and sf of the CL without him and tanked in the final with him.
Harry Kane is undoubtedly our best player, its close between him and bale as our best player in the PL era imho, but relegation talk is nonsense.

I'm not so sure mate. Of course I am looking over the course of a season rather than 3 games that in the he scheme of things appear to have been outliers. I don't think we have enough in this squad without Kane to necessarily be clear of relegation even if we avoid it. Hell we are mid table with him in the team so it's not a great leap to think where we would be without him.

 

[Aldo]

I suppose it is a reflection of how poor our squad is when players like Winks Hojberg and Royale get games regularly when they wouldn`t get into any other top 10 side. We should have started the likes of Rodon Devine Sanchez and Scarlett.

So as Winks, Hojbjerg and Royal wouldn't get into another top 10 side, you'd start Rodon, Sanchez, Devine and Scarlett.

 

[Seedy Ron]

Prove it. He's had one half decent game. Revisionist gonad*s.

He had brick hair and couldn't pull his socks up properly.

Probably.

 

[Aldo]

He had brick hair and couldn't pull his socks up properly.

Probably.

brick hair is unforgivable. Bullet dodged.

 

[glasgowspur]

We scored two goals that were crosses and a penalty in the first three games. Yes we got to the CL final with some gutsy performances but we had elements of luck in both rounds Kane missed. No one turned up in the final other than Winks and Rose. Kane wasn’t match fit

Do goals from crosses count less?
Gutsy wins don't count?
When was our last gutsy big win with Kane on the pitch?
I'm not doubting his ability or application, but lets not kid ourselves that its working or that he is making a difference for us or that we need him to win the big games.

 

[billyiddo]

Do goals from crosses count less?
Gutsy wins don't count?
When was our last gutsy big win with Kane on the pitch?
I'm not doubting his ability or application, but lets not kid ourselves that its working or that he is making a difference for us or that we need him to win the big games.

We need to look past expecting players to win us the big games on their own - when you have strong teams with top quality players all over the pitch, that's when you win big games regularly and when you win trophies. When you only have 1 or 2 big players they are easily shut out against top opposition

 

[glasgowspur]

I'm not so sure mate. Of course I am looking over the course of a season rather than 3 games that in the he scheme of things appear to have been outliers. I don't think we have enough in this squad without Kane to necessarily be clear of relegation even if we avoid it. Hell we are mid table with him in the team so it's not a great leap to think where we would be without him.

So you think Kane is worth 20-30 points a season?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Do goals from crosses count less?
Gutsy wins don't count?
When was our last gutsy big win with Kane on the pitch?
I'm not doubting his ability or application, but lets not kid ourselves that its working or that he is making a difference for us or that we need him to win the big games.

The weekend before last.... With him being head and shoulders man of the match and probably giving one of the best centre forward displays I have ever seen.

 

[Robspur12]

So you think Kane is worth 20-30 points a season?

I think Kane and Son's goals and assists are the main things preventing us from plummeting down the table. Takeaway Kane and yeah I think we are in big trouble.

 

[glasgowspur]

We need to look past expecting players to win us the big games on their own - when you have strong teams with top quality players all over the pitch, that's when you win trophies.

I'm not expecting a player to win us the big games, to turn up would be a start mind you, this is a squad issue and it goes right through it.
No one, absolutely no one that has been with us for more 18 month is worth keeping.

 

[Finney Is Back]

So you think Kane is worth 20-30 points a season?

Probably. Yes.

 

[billyiddo]

I'm not expecting a player to win us the big games, to turn up would be a start mind you, this is a squad issue and it goes right through it.
No one, absolutely no one that has been with us for more 18 month is worth keeping.

You've lost the run of yourself on this point mate

 

[glasgowspur]

I think Kane and Son's goals and assists are the main things preventing us from plummeting down the table. Takeaway Kane and yeah I think we are in big trouble.

That's two players, but hey ho.
I'd rule out top four but i can't see that we would be much weaker than those around us.

 

[Kandi1977]

I respect your posts immensely fella but youre wrong if you think our brickness is on Kane.

We are so reliant on him not just to score but also it seems to assist. He scores, he creates and he sets the tempo of our games, he gets back and defends at set pieces and still fans have a go at him. As @Finney Is Back says when this guy goes we will be fighting relegation. I have absolutely no doubt that he would be winning trophies if he went to any one in the top 4.

Read my posts again.

As @glasgowspur said, anyone who signs for any of the top 4 clubs will win trophies. He, along with everyone else, have consistently not turned up when it matters. That's what I'm saying, not that it's his fault alone. But he can not blame anyone else!