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OMT *** Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool ***

tickle my balls with a feather. Appears to go into 50/50s half-hearted and more often than that seems to give up the ghost when he loses the ball
There were a few games last season where he looked on fire and tracking back, but he wasn't able to sustain it. I really think he is ill suited for this league and we should be looking for replacement playmakers asap.

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That's given Poch something to think about. Does Dier/Wanayama really work? Does Onomah add anything? Where are the leaders on the pitch? How do you accommodate Kane and Janssen if you play both?
Where is the pace? Why so many misplaced passes? Should we try and avoid the easy ball back to keeper pass? (as it allows pressing teams to reset and press us around our area.) And a lot more....
I am disappointed with Poch in this regard. It's his 4th premier league season and I'd expect some of those questions to be addressed by now.

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Maybe could do with chatting with DL , still need a couple of good additions to the squad.

As many have said, we definitely need a like-for-like for Dembele. Not sure whats happening with Wimmer. But if Onomah is coming on before Son, then we need better in that position
The departure of Paul Mitchell makes me think now.....

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The massive plus from todays game for me (providing he stays), was that I no longer have any worries if Lloris gets injured. Upto the last fortnight I was very wary over Vorm coming in, but he has gone up 10fold in my estimation. Today he won us a point
 
Just a Euros hangover.

We need to pull Kane and Alli from the England squad with Ryan Giggs strains, to give them another fortnight off.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/07/euro-2016-liverpools-players-ranked/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-players-playing-copa-8109513

Why do Liverpool look fitter than us, then, given that they had more involvement with the Euros than we did?

We've started slowly. It's good we're picking up points despite that, it's not good that we look so disjointed and exhausted three weeks into the season.
 
I think it was @Bullet that pointed out the nature of our play - good, poor, good, poor, etcetera. I'd actually disagree - we were almost uniformly poor throughout. The first half saw three 50-50s swing their way for every one that we managed to win - the second half saw perhaps two 50-50s go their way for every one we could win. In the event, that proved enough for us to snatch a draw, but that shouldn't hide the fact that we were outplayed, outrun and outfought for long stretches of this game. Passes routinely went astray, balls sent up failed to stick, and Liverpool ran at us with unsettling ease.

Play like that at Anfield and we'll be stuffed - two sides came out onto the field today espousing the same brand of expansive, attacking, pressing football, but only one actually played like it. Against Everton, a sluggish, laboured performance was understandable given that we were away from home and up against two banks of four (or even four defenders and five in midfield) for the majority of the game. Here,it's difficult to stomach given that we were up against the type of team we should at least look fluid against.

Short-term concern is that fitness, team cohesion and sharpness look *way* off, and that f*cking pointless, ludicrously stupid international break coming up where irrelevant national teams play irrelevant f*cking friendlies doesn't help in that regard (also, why are our players falling ill in tandem with each other?). Longer term concern is that, although we filled urgent gaps that needed to be filled, our bench looks threadbare and devoid of game-changers - Liverpool could bring on Origi and Sturridge, while we could respond with Janssen alone. Son wasn't brought on for whatever reason, but a fully fit squad (minus Wimmer and Lloris) should have more options to change a game than throwing on untested Josh Onomah for Kane (and, to be fair to him, he did well enough in his minutes, last-second offside call aside). We lack pace allied with close control on the pitch ,and on the bench - Liverpool had both in abundance, and in Mane it particular, it showed. Problem is, Mane cost a bomb - we won't pay anything like as much for an equivalent player, so we have to hope that N'Koudou (when he arrives ten years from now) will approximate a far more expensive player for a fraction of the price. I'm beginning to come around to the idea of Zaha, to be honest - if nothing else, he brings pace, and we need it, as evidenced by today.


Overall, Vorm did brilliantly well, and really oozed calm and precision today (his reflexes were outstanding, and his decision-making equally lucid). Toby was fantastic, Wanyama did well once he assumed sole responsibility for the defensive midfield, Janssen looked eager and stretched the game a bit, and Lamela showed some badly needed inventiveness and grafted away relentlessly (as usual). Rose was troubled down his flank all game, but ultimately came out on top and got a goal in the bargain. Kane was *really* bad, unable to hold the ball up consistently and giving it away whenever he did manage to get it into his feet - ditto Alli and Eriksen.

Oh, and the ref was absolute sh*te.
How much is Poch directly responsible for this? Liverpool were more ready fitness wise and acquired new players that actually made instant contributions. Like us they had a large number of players in international competitions.


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I think it was @Bullet that pointed out the nature of our play - good, poor, good, poor, etcetera. I'd actually disagree - we were almost uniformly poor throughout. The first half saw three 50-50s swing their way for every one that we managed to win - the second half saw perhaps two 50-50s go their way for every one we could win. In the event, that proved enough for us to snatch a draw, but that shouldn't hide the fact that we were outplayed, outrun and outfought for long stretches of this game. Passes routinely went astray, balls sent up failed to stick, and Liverpool ran at us with unsettling ease.

Play like that at Anfield and we'll be stuffed - two sides came out onto the field today espousing the same brand of expansive, attacking, pressing football, but only one actually played like it. Against Everton, a sluggish, laboured performance was understandable given that we were away from home and up against two banks of four (or even four defenders and five in midfield) for the majority of the game. Here,it's difficult to stomach given that we were up against the type of team we should at least look fluid against.

Short-term concern is that fitness, team cohesion and sharpness look *way* off, and that f*cking pointless, ludicrously stupid international break coming up where irrelevant national teams play irrelevant f*cking friendlies doesn't help in that regard (also, why are our players falling ill in tandem with each other?). Longer term concern is that, although we filled urgent gaps that needed to be filled, our bench looks threadbare and devoid of game-changers - Liverpool could bring on Origi and Sturridge, while we could respond with Janssen alone. Son wasn't brought on for whatever reason, but a fully fit squad (minus Wimmer and Lloris) should have more options to change a game than throwing on untested Josh Onomah for Kane (and, to be fair to him, he did well enough in his minutes, last-second offside call aside). We lack pace allied with close control on the pitch ,and on the bench - Liverpool had both in abundance, and in Mane it particular, it showed. Problem is, Mane cost a bomb - we won't pay anything like as much for an equivalent player, so we have to hope that N'Koudou (when he arrives ten years from now) will approximate a far more expensive player for a fraction of the price. I'm beginning to come around to the idea of Zaha, to be honest - if nothing else, he brings pace, and we need it, as evidenced by today.


Overall, Vorm did brilliantly well, and really oozed calm and precision today (his reflexes were outstanding, and his decision-making equally lucid). Toby was fantastic, Wanyama did well once he assumed sole responsibility for the defensive midfield, Janssen looked eager and stretched the game a bit, and Lamela showed some badly needed inventiveness and grafted away relentlessly (as usual). Rose was troubled down his flank all game, but ultimately came out on top and got a goal in the bargain. Kane was *really* bad, unable to hold the ball up consistently and giving it away whenever he did manage to get it into his feet - ditto Alli and Eriksen.

Oh, and the ref was absolute sh*te.


I do think Walker going off upset the shape of the team -although it improved us in the DM role. a lot of players went missing -or just couldn't get involved first half. We may have scored, but I don't think we had many chances, Liverpool looked far more threatening going forward.

I thought Onomah gave the ball away loads and didn't add much. And re Kane - I'm not sure he has ever held the ball up that well - he is more of a bustler/scrambler - but it is less obvious when he plays at the top on his own. We definitely need a better bench, though.
 
We can't be too unhappy about a point today. Liverppol probably shaded it overall. In the first half they were certainly better than us, but we were better in the second, at least in terms of creating chances. A draw was a fair result in my opinion.

We didn't play well though. Both teams tried to do the same thing, but Liverpool were better at it. When we tried to put pressure on them, we were always a bit late, and they managed to pass their way through our pressure. When Liverpool pressurised us, they got close to our players more quickly, and we also seemed to lack the technical ability to deal with it. They seemed quicker, sharper, stronger and also more skillful than us today. I have said it again, but I think our though pre-season is not helping us in the early games of the season. It's been the same in previous seasons. We look a bit off the pace. I think the legs of the players might still be heavy from a heavy workload in summer. I guess the Idea is that it will benefit us later in the season though.

I think no individual players excelled today. Vorm did well, although he was playing with fire on a couple of occasions. However, when he get its right, you can't complain.

Alderweireld had some important involvements. Rose did alright. Wanyama was good in the second half, but we need Dembele back. Dier and Wanyama are too similar, and Alli is a bit of a liability in that posistion as he wonders all over the place and plays a risky game on the ball.

I hope Walker's injury is not a serious one, but it didn't look great. I'm not sure Trippier is good enough to play every game for a long period. Out bench is very thin at the moment. We need to bring in a few players next week. An attacking midfielder or two, ideally with some pace as we badly miss that in our squad, and perhaps a central midfielder as an alternative to Dembele. One who is more creative than Wanyama.

And how did Mane not gent sent off? Absloutely incredible. Would have changed the game if the referee had done his job at least once.
 
Really surprised with how good we made Liverpool look. They have good players, but so do we, and only one team were able to impose themselves on the match today and it was them.

Very curious indeed, not sure what the problem is.
 
How much is Poch directly responsible for this? Liverpool were more ready fitness wise and acquired new players that actually made instant contributions. Like us they had a large number of players in international competitions.


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I'm not entirely sure. Certainly I'll concede that a *lot* of PL teams look off the pace at present, and we're one of them (I put that down to the season starting as early as it did after two international tournaments in the space of two months). But that doesn't square with how fit and relentless Liverpool looked when compared to us, even though they had equal or greater international involvement. Klopp is almost an older Poch in terms of his approach - maybe he knows something Poch doesn't about fitness regimes, although given that Poch apparently spends 12 hours a day at the training ground analyzing minute details of training movements, I doubt it's something he can't pick up.

Either way, we have 5 points from 3 games, two of them against Merseyside opposition (traditionally difficult opponents for us). It's a better start than last year. However, we'll also need the cushion, I suspect, because our extremely even, competitive CL group will require full-strength sides put out for every game, which will have an impact on our performances in games around the CL fixtures and further down the line. Hence, every point is absolutely crucial now, while we can still devote our full attention to one competition - later on, there's little that can be done as the CL, EFL Cup and FA Cup all come into play and momentum and muscle memory become key drivers of our approach.
 
Sky are incredible, 5 mins on mane, no mention of his tackles. Spurs were lucky because of a correct offside, but nothing about all the decisions that went against us!

Is this Liverpool TV?
What do you expect?
They have more Liverpool fan subscribers.

Levy should be paying more attention to the commercial side of things instead of brinksmanship on player transfers. In the long run those multitudes of fans globally count more to the club.

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I hope Walker's injury is not a serious one, but it didn't look great. I'm not sure Trippier is good enough to play every game for a long period. Out bench is very thin at the moment. We need to bring in a few players next week. An attacking midfielder or two, ideally with some pace as we badly miss that in our squad, and perhaps a central midfielder as an alternative to Dembele. One who is more creative than Wanyama.

My commentary said he was just feeling ill.
 
We can't be too unhappy about a point today. Liverppol probably shaded it overall. In the first half they were certainly better than us, but we were better in the second, at least in terms of creating chances. A draw was a fair result in my opinion.

We didn't play well though. Both teams tried to do the same thing, but Liverpool were better at it. When we tried to put pressure on them, we were always a bit late, and they managed to pass their way through our pressure. When Liverpool pressurised us, they got close to our players more quickly, and we also seemed to lack the technical ability to deal with it. They seemed quicker, sharper, stronger and also more skillful than us today. I have said it again, but I think our though pre-season is not helping us in the early games of the season. It's been the same in previous seasons. We look a bit off the pace. I think the legs of the players might still be heavy from a heavy workload in summer. I guess the Idea is that it will benefit us later in the season though.

I think no individual players excelled today. Vorm did well, although he was playing with fire on a couple of occasions. However, when he get its right, you can't complain.

Alderweireld had some important involvements. Rose did alright. Wanyama was good in the second half, but we need Dembele back. Dier and Wanyama are too similar, and Alli is a bit of a liability in that posistion as he wonders all over the place and plays a risky game on the ball.

I hope Walker's injury is not a serious one, but it didn't look great. I'm not sure Trippier is good enough to play every game for a long period. Out bench is very thin at the moment. We need to bring in a few players next week. An attacking midfielder or two, ideally with some pace as we badly miss that in our squad, and perhaps a central midfielder as an alternative to Dembele. One who is more creative than Wanyama.

And how did Mane not gent sent off? Absloutely incredible. Would have changed the game if the referee had done his job at least once.
A pint at home against a team below us last season and with as many internationals away on national obligations ... I'm disappointed.



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Still not match sharp match fit. Said at the start of the season that the likes of Kane, Dier, Vertonghen, Alli, Rose and Walker having less than 90 minutes total pre season makes them totally unprepared.
But this is something Poch feels he needs to do.
They needed a break or else they'd be fudged half way through the season.
Thankfully this extended pre season period is over.

Even Poch admits we are behind in match fitness
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-late-getting-up-to-speed-this-a7211936.html

“We had a lot of players involved in the Euros and we are in the process of trying to build their fitness, and how we can adapt their situation to the team,” Pochettino said at his press conference on Thursday. “We are not in a period to work on small details. We are very focused to try to give the team more quality in fitness and consistency. It's impossible after the Euros with a very short break to recover to start again.”

To start the Premier League after two weeks' training, to start international competition, it's very tough for the players,” Pochettino said. “We want to create the possibility for our players to be fit for the whole season. We are a little bit late in our development for this new season. After the international break we can start to work on small details and develop different possibilities to play linked with our work on the pitch.”
 
Hi All,
My thoughts ( through Tusker Lager and Singapore Chili Crabs tinted glasses )

- We were lucky to get a point
- Compared to Liverscum:
- We didn't have the same pace, specially through the middle
- They pressed a lot better and further up the field
- They had a much better bench. Our bench is not looking too good
- Mane should have been sent off
- We miss Dembele
- I am not sure Kane playing out of position is helping. Or this his normal slow start
- Vorm was MOTM for us

Overall I am happy with a point here.

COYS

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