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OMT Tottenham Hotspur vs Chelsea, WHL, Sat 28 Sept

SpurSF said:
Interesting. Are you also one who hasn't been impressed with Lamela, so far? For me, he has looked class when he has come on, thanks to his quick, intelligent passing and deft movement.

What I like about Holtby and Lamela are the speed of their decision making and forward passing. Though they may not be as quick as Townsend/Lennon, their brains works quickly and they make decisive decisions, and while Holtby has been very crisp in his executing (see: the last two minutes of the match on Sunday), Lamela is a bit rustier at this point in the season.

What I like about Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen, and Holtby (Siggy, too) is their footballing intelligence. At Roma, Lamela scored many of his goals by positioning and quickness of thought (though he has pace, as well), and I'd think when they are all firing and on the same page, we will be difficult to stop. Also, AVB's philosophy is all about keeping the ball, and while Lennon and Townsend's directness is exciting, neither will keep it as well as Lamela, which is why I think in a lot games, we'll see this formation:

----Paulinho (Dembele)---Sandro(or Capoue)---
Holtby (or Siggy)-----Eriksen----Lamela (or Chadli)
----------------Soldado----------------------

I also think a striker as intelligent as Soldado will really benefit from intelligent supporting players, like the aforementioned.

Again, not saying I am some tactical smart person, but it's how I'd imagine our team will play.
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I dont think he has been class - no. I also dont think he has been poor etc. I think lots of people are throwing around terms like 'class' and 'great' when he has been nothing but. However he has been good at times although the second half against Villa he was poor. Its too early to judge - I have always said Lamela will be the player that will take the longest to settle and I stand by that. He has had one or two moments of brilliant play though so the class is evident.

I like intelligent players and those players you mentioned are intelligent but I think in a team you need a mixture of intelligence, pace, power, strength and we have that in our squad. I dont want 11 muscle men and I dont want 11 knuckleheads. This is why I was a bit weirded out by the whole 'beast' term that people bandied about as I didnt want a team of beasts - like what the ****.

I agree with sspursalot in that if you have a squad of players - why not play them in their natural positions? all this square pegs in round holes is counter productive.
 
Holtby and Eriksen can play together. Can go with Holtby at 10 and Eriksen left(but narrowing in like how Modric started out), or for easier games you can leave Eriksen at 10 and play Holtby as one of the CMs.
 
Rossi22 said:
Holtby and Eriksen can play together. Can go with Holtby at 10 and Eriksen left(but narrowing in like how Modric started out), or for easier games you can leave Eriksen at 10 and play Holtby as one of the CMs.
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Interesting idea. Maybe with the Samba twins behind them it could work.
 
DHSF said:
I agree with sspursalot in that if you have a squad of players - why not play them in their natural positions? all this square pegs in round holes is counter productive.
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It's interesting because seemingly all of the positions have clear cut starters or solid competition for the spot except for the left wing. Neither Siggy nor Chadli have stood out and claimed the job yet, so I think people tend to want to want to use the position as a sort of talent overflow valve to fit in players like Holtby/Eriksen that are really in form.
 
fishnc said:
It's interesting because seemingly all of the positions have clear cut starters or solid competition for the spot except for the left wing. Neither Siggy nor Chadli have stood out and claimed the job yet, so I think people tend to want to want to use the position as a sort of talent overflow valve to fit in players like Holtby/Eriksen that are really in form.
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That is a solid point.

Any stats about our left side?
 
It's pretty silly to claim two good players couldn't possibly play in the same team. You think that when Cazorla is back from injury, Wenger is going to say "ouh là là, I cannot possibly fit both Ozil and Cazorla into ze same team, one of you is going to have to sit on ze bench" ... ? If Holtby keeps performing the way he has then he deserves a shot in the team, perhaps not on Saturday, but in the near-future.
 
onlyme said:
That is a solid point.

Any stats about our left side?
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Mostly going off what my eyes have seen so far. Siggy and Chadli have more goals between them (3) than Townsend and Lamela (1), but they haven't looked all that impressive. Siggy's first goal was great, solid one time strike off a great run. His second goal he basically walked into the back of the net. Chadli's goal near the end of regulation at Villa was powerful but he probably shouldn't have scored off it. I don't think they have any assists to their name whereas Townsend/Lamela have 4 or 5.

I don't know, reading what I'm writing it sounds like I'm being overly critical of how they scored. But watching the matches the left side just hasn't factored in much of the attack. Maybe that's by design and Siggy/Chadli aren't to blame. Maybe Eriksen/Holtby need to do a better job of getting them involved. Whatever it is, their presence hasn't been as noticeable as the rest of squad's.
 
Rossi22 said:
Holtby and Eriksen can play together. Can go with Holtby at 10 and Eriksen left (but narrowing in like how Modric started out), or for easier games you can leave Eriksen at 10 and play Holtby as one of the CMs.
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Modric started out as a left midfielder in 442 not an inside forward in 4231
 
milo said:
Modric started out as a left midfielder in 442 not an inside forward in 4231
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Practically the same thing, Modric was just the first example that came to mind. You may class us as playing "inside forwards" right now but I certainly don't.
 
fishnc said:
It's interesting because seemingly all of the positions have clear cut starters or solid competition for the spot except for the left wing. Neither Siggy nor Chadli have stood out and claimed the job yet, so I think people tend to want to want to use the position as a sort of talent overflow valve to fit in players like Holtby/Eriksen that are really in form.
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The left wing remains open - I would play Lamela but as AVB likes his inverted winger **** - you woul dhave to play one of Sig/Chadli. Im not convinced by Chadli
 
I like Chadli, I know he's not perfect but he appears to have good technique and can deliver a good cross. I still don't think that Sigurdsson is a true left forward, no matter how many times AVB plays him there.
 
Rossi22 said:
Practically the same thing, Modric was just the first example that came to mind. You may class us as playing "inside forwards" right now but I certainly don't.
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What formation do you think that we have been playing this season?

I would argue that Sig and Chadli have played far further forward than Modric ever did when he played left midfield.
 
milo said:
What formation do you think that we have been playing this season?

I would argue that Sig and Chadli have played far further forward than Modric ever did when he played left midfield.
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We play 4231 which is practically identical to the 4411 Modric played in. I don't consider the wide players in a 4231 to be wide forwards, I associate that with 433. I don't want to debate about terminology though, that wasn't my point. My point is that Eriksen can play from the left easily enough with Holtby central, it's not a big deal. Sigurdsson's playing there currently and he's no more a wide player than Eriksen is. When Cazorla returns from injury for Arsenal he'll play from the left with Ozil central, if they can do it then so can we. Good players can play with eachother, to just dismiss the possibility that Holtby and Eriksen could play in the same team is silly.

When attacking it would just look like this anyway:

Lloris
Dawson Vertonghen
Paulinho Dembele
Walker Lamela Holtby Eriksen Rose
Soldado​
 
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Don't care what formation we play, what players we play! Just want the three points however we can get them this weekend. Haven't beaten them for 3 1/2 years now and need to pay them back for last season. Head says draw, Heart says slender win. For once, I am going to follow my heart and say 2-1 win.

Only thing I would say is that I probably would leave Lamela on the bench to bring on. Not sure who I would go with up front but the 3 behind for me would be Eriksen, Holtby and Townsend.
 
Rossi22 said:
We play 4231 which is practically identical to the 4411 Modric played in. I don't consider the wide players in a 4231 to be wide forwards, I associate that with 433. I don't want to debate about terminology though, that wasn't my point. My point is that Eriksen can play from the left easily enough with Holtby central, it's not a big deal. Sigurdsson's playing there currently and he's no more a wide player than Eriksen is. When Cazorla returns from injury for Arsenal he'll play from the left with Ozil central, if they can do it then so can we. Good players can play with eachother, to just dismiss the possibility that Holtby and Eriksen could play in the same team is silly.

When attacking it would just look like this anyway:

Lloris
Dawson Vertonghen
Paulinho Dembele
Walker Lamela Holtby Eriksen Rose
Soldado​
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Agree wholeheartedly with this. It surprises me that people think Lewis can't play w/ Eriksen, as he's such a versatile player. The "square pegs, round holes" thing really only applies to one-dimensional footballers. Same reason Real Madrid bought Gareth Bale, IMO.
 
Whoevers on the left will probably be up against Ivanovic so I'd be inclined to go with Chadli for his physical prowess and like El G said he does seem to have good delivery.
 
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