OMT ** Tottenham Hotspur v Palace **. 28.12.25 4.30pm

[Mikey10]

He's talking about Sunderland, one of our upcoming games. They have a fair few of their players away at the AFCON....

Ah…apologies! Too much eggnog.

 

[Bishop]

I dont think because ref and VAR chose to ignore something means its within the laws of the game and we will see some teams penalised for it.

The laws of the game don't actually say that you can't. It's just an interpretation by a referee on whether they think hands on shoulders are an infringement or not.

This is why the subjectivity of decision making always plays a part.

 

[stratnumberone]

I dont think because ref and VAR chose to ignore something means its within the laws of the game and we will see some teams penalised for it.

I was being sarcastic!!

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

The laws of the game don't actually say that you can't. It's just an interpretation by a referee on whether they think hands on shoulders are an infringement or not.

This is why the subjectivity of decision making always plays a part.

I would think Law 12 includes pushing with excessive force (which would be needed to stop someone jumping) / holds an opponent (holding on shoulders to jump) and impeding an opponent with contact. I would expect a competent person to judge would Mateta been able to get to that ball without committing any of those actions?

 

[Bishop]

I would think Law 12 includes pushing with excessive force (which would be needed to stop someone jumping) / holds an opponent (holding on shoulders to jump) and impeding an opponent with contact. I would expect a competent person to judge would Mateta been able to get to that ball without committing any of those actions?

The excessive force part is subjective though.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

The excessive force part is subjective though.

What sane person would not think excessive force was not needed to stop a 6ft man weighting about 12 stone from jumping. I know most footballer can be knocked down by a light breeze but that was so obvious to anyone but the most bias/incompetent/corrupt to miss.

 

[Bishop]

What sane person would not think excessive force was not needed to stop a 6ft man weighting about 12 stone from jumping. I know most footballer can be knocked down by a light breeze but that was so obvious to anyone but the most bias/incompetent/corrupt to miss.

This is literally subjective. As I said at the time, i'm not sure if I considered Ekitite on Romero a foul so even here between the two of us there is a subjectivity to the matter.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

This is literally subjective. As I said at the time, i'm not sure if I considered Ekitite on Romero a foul so even here between the two of us there is a subjectivity to the matter.

I've not referred to the Ekitite incident, although I do think it was a foul, the force used by Mateta was far greater as he needed it to lift himself to that height, subjective is an adjective used in football decisions to cover up mistakes unlike where we all have subjective views on music, art, food etc.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Forgive my laziness, I know it was discussed on here, was our first goal offside? Watching it real time it looks like Bergvall moves back onside when the ball is played to him? Or not?

@thfcsteff is this crossing football for the first goal okay for you? I know you were complaining we're not playing atttractive football, but this goal looked quick, intricate and maybe should have stood?

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[braineclipse]

Forgive my laziness, I know it was discussed on here, was our first goal offside? Watching it real time it looks like Bergvall moves back onside when the ball is played to him? Or not?

@thfcsteff is this crossing football for the first goal okay for you? I know you were complaining we're not playing atttractive football, but this goal looked quick, intricate and maybe should have stood?

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Bergvall was offside.

I'm definitely also in the not playing enough attractive football, that was a good move though for sure.

Big difference between that and relying on Kudus to drag us up the pitch with it eventually ending with a cross against a settled team in position to defend it. I don't mind crosses as such, but think we need a variety of threats when we attack.