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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester United ***

glasgowspur said:
He knocked it long a few times and we did OK with it, but for the first goal he turns to gray, doesn't like the look of it, turns to dragu, doesn't like that either and then passes it gray who no option but to play it back, foster then plays it to dragu, or tries to.
He had three opportunities to punt it, his head had obviously gone at that point.
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He was a bit too calm! And should have punted it no doubt.
 
I am just skirting comments, but honestly, when I read the old 'at 3-0 we just need to kill the game' rubbish, what do people think we were trying to do??? By passing and keeping the ball, not necessarily charging forward, we were on course to a controlled finish. The ONLY reason it did not happen is because Fraser Forster has his obvious deficiencies. We know it. And both those errors are on HIM 100%. HE needs to be faster. If he is faster those are simple passes into space and open players. Tonight had nothing to do with the style of play and everything to do with him.
 
thfcsteff said:
I am just skirting comments, but honestly, when I read the old 'at 3-0 we just need to kill the game' rubbish, what do people think we were trying to do??? By passing and keeping the ball, not necessarily charging forward, we were on course to a controlled finish. The ONLY reason it did not happen is because Fraser Forster has his obvious deficiencies. We know it. And both those errors are on HIM 100%. HE needs to be faster. If he is faster those are simple passes into space and open players. Tonight had nothing to do with the style of play and everything to do with him.
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Don’t agree Steff. We have ridiculous stats for not going long from the back. It’s being encouraged by the manager. Of course Forster has massive culpability but that’s how he’s being told to play despite not really being capable of it. Good goalkeeper but not a footballer.

It was an unbelievable game. We got through so alls well that ends well. But we need to be a bit more clever.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Don’t agree Steff. We have ridiculous stats for not going long from the back. It’s being encouraged by the manager. Of course Forster has massive culpability but that’s how he’s being told to play despite not really being capable of it. Good goalkeeper but not a footballer.

It was an unbelievable game. We got through so alls well that ends well. But we need to be a bit more clever.
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Point remains, the system didn't break down, player did

When you fudge up and win, it's much more palatable than fudge up and lose

Job done, shown again we can beat big teams, can score lots of goals, and yes, some work still to do.
 
DeanoAustin said:
And I understand why. But it’s nerve jangling and interesting which is very different to what we had under Jose and Conte. It’s mad.
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There's a piece in his book (I haven't read it all) but when he was manager of Melbourne I think, a defender played a ball out from the back and it got intercepted and the opposition scored.

That same defender a few moments later did exactly the same thing, and the same result happened in the same game, but Ange didn't shout at him or have a go at him it's because that's how he taught his players to play out, from the back, dangerously, inviting attackers to get the ball and it is supposed to open up more space. We all know what Ange wants.

My point is if Forster hoofs it long then it's not how Ange wants them to play and you're just inviting pressure back on you as you'll probably lose the possession anyway.

That's why Forster was doing it still even after he fudged up twice.
 
El Guepardo said:
I think it’s both that and the system we are using doesn’t utilise Son as he used to play. It’s been tweaked to allow him to cut in and I think that even dates back to our match against Brentford. It must be tough as the tweak means that we can lose our width and the middle can become overly congested but we need to then have Udogie/Spence staying wide to fill in which then leads to one of our central midfielders needing to be aware of when cover will be needed at left back.
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I agree. He doesn't suite Postecoglu's system. He's not a winger or a centre forward and Ange wants wingers that stay out wide and allow the full backs to invert inside and he likes a centre forward.

Son is an inside forward who.wants to cut in and shoot or pass just outside the box. Played upfront he plays off the shoulder and doesn't challenge for the ball or really try and knit moves together.
 
Hmmm, didn’t realise that tonight’s bookings mean that Maddison and Sarr are suspended for the first leg of semi-final.

Hopefully Bentancur, Moore and Richarlison are match sharp by the 8th / 9th.
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
There's a piece in his book (I haven't read it all) but when he was manager of Melbourne I think, a defender played a ball out from the back and it got intercepted and the opposition scored.

That same defender a few moments later did exactly the same thing, and the same result happened in the same game, but Ange didn't shout at him or have a go at him it's because that's how he taught his players to play out, from the back, dangerously, inviting attackers to get the ball and it is supposed to open up more space. We all know what Ange wants.

My point is if Forster hoofs it long then it's not how Ange wants them to play and you're just inviting pressure back on you as you'll probably lose the possession anyway.

That's why Forster was doing it still even after he fudged up twice.
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Yep, but he's a very senior player

Senior players need to know at certain points in the game, just don't fudge up, punt it (and get shouted at later)

Dead point in long run because FF is not a long term part of expected first 11
 
Just watched the highlights.

Great result, but WTF was Forster doing? Every game, some player does some thing so monumentally stupid.

But a semi final here we come.
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
There's a piece in his book (I haven't read it all) but when he was manager of Melbourne I think, a defender played a ball out from the back and it got intercepted and the opposition scored.

That same defender a few moments later did exactly the same thing, and the same result happened in the same game, but Ange didn't shout at him or have a go at him it's because that's how he taught his players to play out, from the back, dangerously, inviting attackers to get the ball and it is supposed to open up more space. We all know what Ange wants.

My point is if Forster hoofs it long then it's not how Ange wants them to play and you're just inviting pressure back on you as you'll probably lose the possession anyway.

That's why Forster was doing it still even after he fudged up twice.
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Why take the risk at 3-0? It's not Forsters strength, don't give the chance of coughing up a cheap goal, make Utd work for it.
 
DubSpur said:
Why take the risk at 3-0? It's not Forsters strength, don't give the chance of coughing up a cheap goal, make Utd work for it.
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Because that's what Ange wants mate.

There was a time in the first half, I vividly remember when it would have been easier for Spence or Gray to whack it out, but they all worked together intrinsically to pass it out, very dangerously, and right by the corner flag but they ended up being successful and keeping possession and getting out of being closed in.

If they keep whacking it they just lose possession and have to win it back.

Yes it's dangerous but know one talks about it when it's successful and it happens a hell of a lot, people only talk about it when mistakes are made and goals happen from them. Naturally, but mistakes happen.

I bloody love this football and hate it when they hoof it now
 
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