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Vic Buckingham
this pleases me
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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool Sunday 31st August 1330 KO***
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this pleases me
You might be right but I have not seen anyone alluding to this. He is still not match-fit but needs games. I would start with him as we win the ball in more advanced positions, it gets the crowd going as well as the players, like Ade, as all of a sudden they see a goal scoring opportunity.
I think there is a feeling that his passing isn't as good as Capoue's or bentaleb's but for me you need to have the ball first and more importantly deny opposition easy possession.
His physical style means he will get a booking but, so what, we need to show we mean business, if he looks like he might get sent off, once he receives a yellow, then I would bring on capoue or another DM.
it seems we do need Schneiderlin badly, even if we have signed Stambouli, as our present other DMs are not up to it.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
The bit about signings at the end is interesting, imo. He was unconvincingly noncommittal as he predictably would be, but his eyes were screaming 'YES! I WANT SIGNINGS, DAMMIT!'.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
this is what you were saying the other night, I still agree
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Dreadful today, a complete reversal of last week in every way....
So many woeful woeful players, what is wrong with Eriksen, worst game ever in a Spurs shirt
Disgraceful refereeing from Dowd but I expected that and commented on it earlier, everytime a Liverpool player fell over he gave a foul and as for the penalty, ridiculous as was the decision not to give Ade one late on
Today was my 400th live Spurs game and **** me it werent good
Enjoyed watching Sturridge and Sterling today, such quick feet but how bad was Stevie Me No Legs, dreadful, I counted 8 misplaced passes, it will cost LFC keeping him in the team
So many woeful woeful players, what is wrong with Eriksen, worst game ever in a Spurs shirt
Disgraceful refereeing from Dowd but I expected that and commented on it earlier, everytime a Liverpool player fell over he gave a foul and as for the penalty, ridiculous as was the decision not to give Ade one late on
Today was my 400th live Spurs game and **** me it werent good
Enjoyed watching Sturridge and Sterling today, such quick feet but how bad was Stevie Me No Legs, dreadful, I counted 8 misplaced passes, it will cost LFC keeping him in the team
Mr_B
Niko Kranjcar
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I'm sorry. Aggressively moving for top class players and the names you bring up are Allen and Sakho?
This the same Joe Allen that started 15 league games last season for them, he was the difference maker? Really? Oh, and they signed him for £15m because he had a release clause - not too dissimilar to us getting Dier and Fazio for less than their previous clubs would have wanted had there not been clauses. It was Rodgers saying that he would have paid many millions more - not the Liverpool board or chairman, I have no idea why you're quoting Rodgers and then moving the question to Levy? If Schneiderlin had a £15m release clause and no bigger club wanted him I think he would have been here by now.
When we had money to spend Levy reportedly paid £17m for Paulinho and £26m for Soldado. Is that really so different? The fact is that most the difference makers for Rodgers have been existing players and players like Coutinho and Sturridge that weren't considered top players when signed, that turned out to be great value for money for Liverpool. But it took some time, those existing players didn't turn it around straight away. They finished 7th in Rodger's first season, early that year they lost 3-0 away to WBA and 2-0 at home to Arsenal. Later that season they lost 3-1 at home to Aston Villa.
But here we are, 3 PL games and not even a completed transfer window into Poch's Spurs career and it's already all wrong? Most the new purchases, that have been fairly low cost, haven't even had a chance to start a PL game. The existing players have only had a couple of months at best to work under him and a handful of competitive games. But the transfers are all wrong?
How about at least giving Fazio, Ben Davies and whoever else we sign a chance to start 2-3 games before we conclude that they were just signed because Levy refused to pay up for who Poch really wanted?
Me too. Good attitude. Mentions the penalty when asked, but not making excuses. Not too downhearted, he realizes that we're still a work in progress. Get on with the work. Sounds confident that he knows what he needs to do to keep us improving.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
1st time seeing that slowed down, Dier shouldnt have tried to grab him but jesus the fall over is pathetic, didnt help that fatty Dowd was miles behind play as always
Very bad performance with sloppy defending that we have seen in the first two games against a team with players who didn't let us get away with it. I can forgive Dier for a rush of blood, he's 21. But, imo, Kaboul and Vertonghen were both very poor today and they are the experienced pros. Seems Fazio might get a debut quite soon, and I'd hapilly see us drop Vertonghen for him, who seems determined to carry on for where he left off last season. Likewise, bench Kaboul for Dier. Individual errors again, just like last season.
Nobody had a good game for us, but Eriksen was particularly bad. In future, it might be worth leaving him out of these games and picking a more workmanlike side. Leaves us exposed and offers nothing on the counter, but he's perfect for teams that just come to defend and afford us lots of time to play.
Overall, we just have to give Poch time and backing to get things done his way. We keep changing managers, we keep going round in circles with players (you look at who we buy and sell, they are all quite similkar standard bar the odd Bale/Modric/Berbatov -- think Sig/Holtby/Eriksen/Hudd/Capoue/Sandro/Livermore etc.) Poch can keep who he wants, and over the next few windows, replace the others. And then we just need to stick it out, barring a relegation threat.
Think about it, we've done our best when Harry was fortunate enough to get a group of top class players together for a brief time (Modric, Bale, Vdv and Adebayor of that season). If Jol would have had that group, he'd probably have got a top 4 finish. AVB/Sherwood have taken a lesser group to top 6, much like Jol did with the players before Redknapp. Ramos was the exceptional disaster.
Otherwise, it's all much of a muchness. Poch has shown himself to be a good coach at Southampton perhaps someone who can make a team more than the sum of its parts. So let's just give him time to get on with it and accept that we are gonna have some rotten performances this season. We need an established system of play with players who both understand it and believe in it. This is gonna take time, today was a reality check (certainly for me!).
Nobody had a good game for us, but Eriksen was particularly bad. In future, it might be worth leaving him out of these games and picking a more workmanlike side. Leaves us exposed and offers nothing on the counter, but he's perfect for teams that just come to defend and afford us lots of time to play.
Overall, we just have to give Poch time and backing to get things done his way. We keep changing managers, we keep going round in circles with players (you look at who we buy and sell, they are all quite similkar standard bar the odd Bale/Modric/Berbatov -- think Sig/Holtby/Eriksen/Hudd/Capoue/Sandro/Livermore etc.) Poch can keep who he wants, and over the next few windows, replace the others. And then we just need to stick it out, barring a relegation threat.
Think about it, we've done our best when Harry was fortunate enough to get a group of top class players together for a brief time (Modric, Bale, Vdv and Adebayor of that season). If Jol would have had that group, he'd probably have got a top 4 finish. AVB/Sherwood have taken a lesser group to top 6, much like Jol did with the players before Redknapp. Ramos was the exceptional disaster.
Otherwise, it's all much of a muchness. Poch has shown himself to be a good coach at Southampton perhaps someone who can make a team more than the sum of its parts. So let's just give him time to get on with it and accept that we are gonna have some rotten performances this season. We need an established system of play with players who both understand it and believe in it. This is gonna take time, today was a reality check (certainly for me!).
thfcsteff
George Hunt
:lol:
Indeed…
Liverpool were excellent, and punished every weakness we showed.
I found a couple of things worrying.
1) Eriksen continues to be a luxury versus the dominant playmaker he has the skills to be. He needs to develop more presence (both physically and mentally) and fast. It's a vital season for him.
2) I am an Ade fan, but today he was really really exposed. Looked too slow/leggy and simply wasn't able to bring others into play.
Generally this has to be chalked as a learning experience. It's the first game we haven't been able to press high for fear of being caught, thus really, we were always between a rock and a hard place stylistically, and Liverpool jumped all over that hesitancy.
Liverpool's first showed everything we need to address defensively, as it was a front-foot goal all the way, but I felt their ability to punish any weakness was key. We also failed to put away one on ones, and we cannot afford to do that. I think we have a manager who will respond positively to all of that...
I actually think our CM is more lacking in creativity. As I've said before, none of our 4 senior CMs, Paulinho, Capoue, Sandro and Dembele are particuarly good passers. Bentaleb's passing is pretty good however he's a kid.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Btw it is no disgrace losing to this lot. Would not be surprised if they even get a result against real madrid. Good side. These games are good benchmarks to see our progress but let's go to places like Leicester and Burnley and win.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
A lot of that commercial revenue comes from their international fan base and considering Spurs haven't won an FA Cup / European trophy or challenged for the title in decades we're doing pretty well.
Hopefully Poch will lead us to some major silverware soon so that we'll have our own legions of glory hunters adding to the club coffers and Levy can start splashing the cash...
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
But if Schneiderlin doesn't sign, then we know that Levy refused to pay for at least one player Poch really wanted. Ditto for that Musacchio lad, all though I've resisted bringing that up because in my mind there's little fault to be apportioned to Levy in that deal, what with all the third-party complications. There are murmurs about Moreno from Sevilla as well, and the fact that Levy hasn't gone for Poch's primary targets will be solidified should none of them appear by the end of tomorrow. I hope Fazio, Davies, Vorm and the rest do exceptionally well, but the fact that Schneiderlin was a primary target for Poch seems pretty evident from everything that's been written about that potential transfer by a huge range of outlets over the past few months. So where on Earth do people bring this assumption from that somehow Levy has done completely right by Poch this window? He's an exceptional chairman, but everything that's emerged into the public domain over the past few years about the way Levy's treated our managers is pretty conclusive evidence that the same thing is happening again given the complications.
I sincerely hope Poch can make these players work together and forge a cohesive unit, and I'm not judging him for anything that might happen this season: it is imperative that he starts next season at the helm of this club. But again, do not convince yourself that this has been a window where we've bought into the manager's vision and given him the players he wants.
And, as a closing statement, Allen isn't a top class player to you: he clearly is in Rodgers' mind. And I doubt he'd have been cleared to say he would have paid more for Allen than he eventually did if the board hadn't been comfortable with doing so, given the implications for future deals.
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DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
You think we'll give Poch that backing, though? I hope we do, it'll make his job much easier, but somehow I can't bring myself to believe that we'll give him the top-class players he needs.