OMT ** Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton - Sunday 6 October at 4.30 pm **

[glorygloryeze]

If we had tailed off after an hour or so I could agree, but right from the restart at ht, that's mental, that's the players have switched off thinking the game is done. And it's not one or two it's four or five, and senior professionals to boot.

Yes, i agree. But after it has happened, the best managers work to rectify it ASAP, not stand, watch and just shake their head. You or i could have just done that FFS

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Not having the European football as an excuse, we saw enough of us folding last year without it.

Last year we were told not having European football was the issue.

He rotated most the team

He rotated
Not arguing that
But they all travelled
It’s a radar able distance and I suspect they either didn’t get him until Friday am
And they also wouldn’t have been prepping for this game that early in the week
It’s just an idea

 

[Bedfordspurs]

If we had tailed off after an hour or so I could agree, but right from the restart at ht, that's mental, that's the players have switched off thinking the game is done. And it's not one or two it's four or five, and senior professionals to boot.

That’s the kicker
It’s was the exact opposite of how we started the game

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yes, i agree. But after it has happened, the best managers work to rectify it ASAP, not stand, watch and just shake their head. You or i could have just done that FFS

Why are fans so obsessed with body language
When PEH pointed and shouted she got berated for it
I think it’s an odd thing
Ange is watching what we’re seeing and has a team behind him maybe doing more analytical things to advise
He isn’t arteta trying to get on the pitch. That’s not how he does things

 

[glorygloryeze]

Why are fans so obsessed with body language
When PEH pointed and shouted she got berated for it
I think it’s an odd thing
Ange is watching what we’re seeing and has a team behind him maybe doing more analytical things to advise
He isn’t arteta trying to get on the pitch. That’s not how he does things

I'm not talking about body language, i'm talking about DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to make a change and try and effect the situation

 

[glasgowspur]

Yes, i agree. But after it has happened, the best managers work to rectify it ASAP, not stand, watch and just shake their head. You or i could have just done that FFS

I'm still in shock tbh, that was incredible.
We were so good in first half, and I don't buy that that was totally down to Brighton being bad, how can you be so bad in the second half.
Two things strike me, wellbeck and Maddison interviews after the game, wellbeck says they were embarrassed by the first half, maddison just gives the usual bs.
Second, any golfer will tell you never to coast when you are ahead, it's very difficult to up your game if your opponent comes back at you.
Keep your foot on their neck.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not talking about body language, i'm talking about DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to make a change and try and effect the situation

You don’t k ow what he is doing or thinking
He may have panned to make a change and bang… we concede again… then another
So he changes what his plans are
You don’t just throw a player on unless it’s an injury. You at least let them get warmed up
It’s people assuming they know things we can’t possibly know. I haven’t a clue what’s going on, on the bench whilst the game js happening

 

[glorygloryeze]

I'm still in shock tbh, that was incredible.
We were so good in first half, and I don't buy that that was totally down to Brighton being bad, how can you be so bad in the second half.
Two things strike me, wellbeck and Maddison interviews after the game, wellbeck says they were embarrassed by the first half, maddison just gives the usual bs.
Second, any golfer will tell you never to coast when you are ahead, it's very difficult to up your game if your opponent comes back at you.
Keep your foot on their neck.

Agree, but even the very best teams have times when they are under the cosh after good start. the best coaches, more often than not, know how to deal with it and mitigate against it somewhat by making changes via subs, formation changes, sitting deep, making fouls, drawing fouls to frustrate etc etc

It's rare a team has it totally their own way. the best know this and handle things instead of just watching whilst the car-crash happens

 

[glorygloryeze]

You don’t k ow what he is doing or thinking
He may have panned to make a change and bang… we concede again… then another
So he changes what his plans are
You don’t just throw a player on unless it’s an injury. You at least let them get warmed up
It’s people assuming they know things we can’t possibly know. I haven’t a clue what’s going on, on the bench whilst the game js happening

We can only go by actions, which ultimately speak louder than words. It's not like Ange hasn't made subs in reaction to how a game is going before, hence why the bs he spouted in the interview made no sense

 

[Surfless]

it is really easy to sit here and say "change this or change that" but the truth is that arresting momentum isn't as easy as sending on a new player or two.

In truth what was needed yesterday was a step up from the senior pros - Maddison, Vicario, and Romero, along with Bentancur and Werner as the older heads in the team should have been focussing on the fact the game was getting away from us. What you have to do is go back to basics, play your game, and gradually the crowd noise and momentum falls away.

There have been a few instances where we've gone behind early in the last year and come back, so its not unreasonable to expect the manager to let the team sort it out - in this instance it just hasn't happened.

In a week after we've won another game, this one will be a blip - we absolutely need the team to learn from it, and to that end it needed to happen, hopefully its another lesson for a youngish team. A month ago we were creating a hatful of chances, but couldn't score, now we are scoring freely and dominating games, the next step is to learn to deal with the tactical switches that opposition managers will send their teams out with.

all part of the rich tapestry of life, football wise.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

We can only go by actions, which ultimately speak louder than words. It's not like Ange hasn't made subs in reaction to how a game is going before, hence why the bs he spouted in the interview made no sense

What BS
The bit about performance being poor regardless of making any subs?
I mean he is right
People will wanna take the context how they see fit of course but he is saying that the dormancy had dropped to an unacceptable level that hurt is with our without substitutes

 

[Bedfordspurs]

it is really easy to sit here and say "change this or change that" but the truth is that arresting momentum isn't as easy as sending on a new player or two.

In truth what was needed yesterday was a step up from the senior pros - Maddison, Vicario, and Romero, along with Bentancur and Werner as the older heads in the team should have been focussing on the fact the game was getting away from us. What you have to do is go back to basics, play your game, and gradually the crowd noise and momentum falls away.

There have been a few instances where we've gone behind early in the last year and come back, so its not unreasonable to expect the manager to let the team sort it out - in this instance it just hasn't happened.

In a week after we've won another game, this one will be a blip - we absolutely need the team to learn from it, and to that end it needed to happen, hopefully its another lesson for a youngish team. A month ago we were creating a hatful of chances, but couldn't score, now we are scoring freely and dominating games, the next step is to learn to deal with the tactical switches that opposition managers will send their teams out with.

all part of the rich tapestry of life, football wise.

We needed to fake a break
Do what Arsenal do and literally stop the game
That’s smart for a team
Instead we played it at their pace

 

[glorygloryeze]

What BS
The bit about performance being poor regardless of making any subs?
I mean he is right
People will wanna take the context how they see fit of course but he is saying that the dormancy had dropped to an unacceptable level that hurt is with our without substitutes

The BS about not wanting to make substitutes and get a 'false victory'...has he not managed in football before? does he think teams can only win a 'deserved' fashion?
By that token, was that a 'false victory' for Brighton yesterday given that we completed dominated them in the first half and could have been leading by more than two goals?

A manager at THFC (or any big club in the scheme of things in the football pyramid) gets paid to win a match or at least try to. That includes making changes when your team has started badly (as the Brighton coach did) or making changes to counter the changes in play or personnel that the opposition team has brought to the table.
What is the point of SQUAD options if substitutions are 'pointless'? Alsop, he DID make subs in the end, which shows he clearly doesn't really believe in what he said...

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The BS about not wanting to make substitutes and get a 'false victory'...has he not managed in football before? does he think teams can only win a 'deserved' fashion?
By that token, was that a 'false victory' for Brighton yesterday given that we completed dominated them in the first half and could have been leading by more than two goals?

A manager at THFC (or any big club in the scheme of things in the football pyramid) gets paid to win a match or at least try to. That includes making changes when your team has started badly (as the Brighton coach did) or making changes to counter the changes in play or personnel that the opposition team has brought to the table.
What is the point of SQUAD options if substitutions are 'pointless'? Alsop, he DID make subs in the end, which shows he clearly doesn't really believe in what he said...

Where is that quote from?
I’ve not heard that one

 

[SpurMeUp]

Second half we were naive, and by the time anyone had figured out what was happening they were level.

Firstly, at half time, you know there will be a reaction from them second half. Easy to say in hindsight. But also quite easy for a manager to anticipate too. And prepare for. Secondly, we didn't defend well. We gave them relatively easy openings. The crowd, ref, and their team rallied and no one on our side rallied back to force back some control. Had we been fresher we might have equalised or fought back ourselves at the end.

Disappointing, as first half we were exceptional and should have scored more.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Where is that quote from?
I’ve not heard that one

Posted in the Ange thread by @SteveAWOL :

Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Harry did a really good job for us. Could see that we had the makings of a great attacking team with Bale, Lennon, Modric - they just needed a more solid platform to display their talents consistently. Brought in Palacios straight away to add bite in midfield and added Bassong, Gallas, Corluka...

www.glory-glory.co.uk

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Posted in the Ange thread by @SteveAWOL :

Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Harry did a really good job for us. Could see that we had the makings of a great attacking team with Bale, Lennon, Modric - they just needed a more solid platform to display their talents consistently. Brought in Palacios straight away to add bite in midfield and added Bassong, Gallas, Corluka...

www.glory-glory.co.uk

I saw that but didn’t see the comments about false victory. Must have missed it

 

[glorygloryeze]

I saw that but didn’t see the comments about false victory. Must have missed it

Watch it from 3 minutes like Steve said...

 

[SpurMeUp]

I cannot blame Ange for the goals conceded. All were defendable. We had players in place for all. We simply didn't get the job done because of focus/lack of fight. I am a big Bentancur fan but how on earth does he not make sure that the ball does NOT get across for the third, and even if it does, what is Romero doing switching off? The first goal? Destiny hashes it - maybe VdV in the middle puts him off, but after that, the entire side needed to step up and close down/press/meet aggression with aggression and they didn't. I would agree it was puzzling s to why (at 2-1 up) he did not make the necessary subs. There are a couple of theories, but neither are worthy excuses IMO. The system works if the playerts keep playing.

That first goal burst our weak confidence. Then we fell apart with the crowd, ref and their motivation all aligned to get back into the game.

For me, the lack of preparedness for their fightback was the greatest issue. As though we thought they would just do the same thing second half. Easy for us to say now, however.

We have to build on the first half display and accept to some degree, that this side are learning. A lot of young players. Udogie can be the best left back in the league. But he's not yet. VDV has sensational attributes but he's not impervious either, and at 23, nor would you expect him to be. Udogie is 21. Porro, who plays like a seasoned pro, only 24.

As a team they have to learn from this. Be ready next time. Be more resilient. Learn to control and dictate when in that kind of atmosphere occurs and momentum switches. Be braver, stronger, and more committed.

 

[Mikey10]

I agree with targeting Mitoma as the danger man and trying to snuff him out. That is basics, if ange can't see that then either Porro or Romero should be pointing it out and asking for help.
The subs thing I'm not convinced tbh, I would give solanke and Johnson a pass, possibly kulu and I don't think there was much Vic could have with the goals. So how many are we going to change, because we could have taken any of the rest off.
Other than Bissouma the bench was pretty much kids wasn't it?

He brought Sarr on too, who’s experienced enough.

It was about trying to have an impact though, surely? To just stand there hoping that it’s going to miraculously change as we ship 3 goals really isn’t good enough, no matter who’s on the bench.