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OMT ** Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton - Sunday 6 October at 4.30 pm **
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SteveAWOL
Barry Daines
The complete lack of anyone supporting Solanke’s pressing in the lead up to their first goal was appalling.
Wish we had a LB of Estupinan’s calibre to bring off the bench, yet again a thorn in our side when he came on.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I cannot blame Ange for the goals conceded. All were defendable. We had players in place for all. We simply didn't get the job done because of focus/lack of fight. I am a big Bentancur fan but how on earth does he not make sure that the ball does NOT get across for the third, and even if it does, what is Romero doing switching off? The first goal? Destiny hashes it - maybe VdV in the middle puts him off, but after that, the entire side needed to step up and close down/press/meet aggression with aggression and they didn't. I would agree it was puzzling s to why (at 2-1 up) he did not make the necessary subs. There are a couple of theories, but neither are worthy excuses IMO. The system works if the playerts keep playing.
mudshark
Chris Armstrong
Sure, individual mistakes, yada yada, but it's part of an all-too-familiar pattern by now. They lack focus because they aren't ever being focussed. He even tries to make a virtue of it. The subs thing is damning, it's like he completely froze for twenty minutes.
Mosquito_Coasting
Gerry Armstrong
Didn't watch as I live abroad and don't want to get wound up last thing Sunday night. Results like this will come with a young team. We are building a good squad again and Ange may not be the long term guy to be honest if he can't be more flexible. I'd give him the season whatever but maybe young players need a more secure system to help them grow. It's been a quite tricky start to the season fixtures wise, we're just lucky United are in such a state. I think we'll finish top six again just hope he has a real crack at the cups, particularly the Europa. Winning any trophy would go a long way for him in terms of credit in the bank.
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This 'all too familiar pattern' has existed here for absolute years, let's not pretend this is something we haven't seen pre Ange. We have all experienced this story many many times before Ange arrived.
As for the subs, it's an interesting subject because you will find many coaches don't just make subs to change things, there are other ways to change things beyond the personnel. It's very much an armchair fan thing to just expect a load of subs to be made as soon as things don't go your way, coaches don't always see it like that. I'm not saying I wouldn't have made subs, but just because none were made doesn't mean a coach is just twiddling his thumbs doing nothing. Oh, I posted this before I'd seen him talk about subs - perhaps I am Ange
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Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
More shaking his head with hands deep in pockets rather than twiddling his thumbs, by the looks of it yesterday. I didn’t see evidence of anything else being changed.
Anyhow, off into work to have the sizeable Arsenal contingent rip the p iss. Excellent.
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Mrs Vert
Terry Fenwick
Southampton broke Conte
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
This for me why Ange looked the way he did, the most culpable are the most experienced and supposedly the leadership group.
Romero, maddison, Bentancur, Udogie were all gash.
Who is he going to replace them with.
Romero I don't think was that good first half, Bentancur was good at times but casual at others, same with maddison. One of those two should have been helping Porro more.
First half baleba strolled through our midfield from almost the edge of their box to edge of ours and no one went near him. Press him and turn over the ball and they were exposed.
Defensively the signs were there, we just didn't pay attention.
lurker of old
Ramon Vega
Ange is a fantastic attacking coach but his fabled -and genuine- stubbornness will prove his undoing. Is it reasonable to expect an attacking four of Kulu, Maddison, Brennan and Werner to be able to defend well? No. Not one is a tough, gritty, hard tackling midfielder. So when we are under the cosh and the players are retreating into their shells, subs are needed before disaster, not afterwards.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
And we’re all body language experts
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
They really aren’t issues with the defending yesterday
They don't need or should be expected to be hard tackling midfielders. There's other players for that side of the game. All they need to do is the normal defensive work. Kulu will stick his foot in and work back. For me he should've been told to help Porro out in the second half or a change made to get Sarr on the pitch to do that.
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
So surely it’s then the manager’s job to change it, not to watch as we ship three goals through making the same errors? He could have brought Bissouma on much earlier to try to stem the tide. Even in the first half Mitoma was given the freedom of the park, and yet nothing seemed to be done tactically at half time to stop that happening.
Given Conte’s press conference after that game, I don’t think much expertise in body language was needed.
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
I agree with targeting Mitoma as the danger man and trying to snuff him out. That is basics, if ange can't see that then either Porro or Romero should be pointing it out and asking for help.
The subs thing I'm not convinced tbh, I would give solanke and Johnson a pass, possibly kulu and I don't think there was much Vic could have with the goals. So how many are we going to change, because we could have taken any of the rest off.
Other than Bissouma the bench was pretty much kids wasn't it?
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
The bench wasn’t imo what people seem to think it was
Like you say it was a lot inexperience in attacking option For sure
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Does anyone think the European game may have had an affect on us?
The whole squad travelled I assume
The whole squad travelled I assume
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glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Yes, plus the fact Brighton had a whole week to prepare and had been playing far less games than us recently because they are not in Europe.
That's why it was so damning on Ange that he stood there and didn't make any subs just to even freshen things up physically. The press we had been doing dissipated understandably, the team needed help
Legohamster
Ian Walker
Not having the European football as an excuse, we saw enough of us folding last year without it.
Last year we were told not having European football was the issue.
He rotated most the team
glasgowspur
Andy Thompson
If we had tailed off after an hour or so I could agree, but right from the restart at ht, that's mental, that's the players have switched off thinking the game is done. And it's not one or two it's four or five, and senior professionals to boot.