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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v AFC Bournemouth ***

billyiddo said:
Might work at a bigger club that can stock it's bench with (almost) like for like talent on the bench.

I remember first couple of seasons under Poch we tailed off towards the end of the season - he commented on it as an issue and the following seasons we seemed to finish much more strongly- Iraola needs to identify these sorts of issues and rectify them. Although for Bournemouth surviving in the league is probably mission accomplished, so is there the need to?
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For sure. It's reminiscent of early Poch, but I think the key difference is that Poch had the time and space to adapt his approach to become less gung-ho while still being one of the most fearsome pressing teams in the league, until Klopp brought in his system.

Iraola doesn't, because the Premier League is now chock-full of pressing systems, and adapting to become less intense just makes Bournemouth the same as any one of another half-dozen teams that press from the front, us included. It's that manic full commitment that gives them their edge.

Sure, a really deep squad (like Chelsea's) could help offset the downsides of this constant manic pressing. But I struggle to see any manager coping with keeping this style for 60-70 games a season - even Klopp had to ease off gegenpressing in the end.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Tel isn't meant to be a full-time left-winger. He's meant to be a striker that can also provide width on the left, when needed.

I think he's the long-term replacement for Richy - believe the latter will have one year left on his deal after the World Cup, and it would be a good time to sell.

Think, barring miracles, next year Richy goes and Tel becomes our backup to Solanke. So view him in that light.

He had some promising moments today - tried to make things happen, made some decent runs, one excellent snapshot. Not the worst outing.
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We don't need a backup for Solanke we need an improvement.
 
We had no outlet until late in the game. Every ball forward was just coming back at us at a faster pace.

Richalison and Johnson were the best defenders on the pitch today for Bournemouth.

But we are missing Maddison, Kulusevski, Solanke and Simons who will all add some creativity or hold up play up the pitch.
 
Yiddo said:
Who is realistically coming into a new job and upsetting the applecart after 2 games by making subs in the 30th minute? Lets be realistic, we were always going to have performances like this, its better being early on and whilst the transfer market is open so we can change accordingly.
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He should have made the changes at half time. There was nothing in the first half to expect it to change in the 2nd.
 
DeanoAustin said:
He should be backed a million per cent. Today was beyond disappointing but he got dingdonged by Iraola. It happens.

No manager has the answers to such a degree that they’ll always make the right selections at the start of games and changes during games. Frank is no different.

There’s been enough so far, for me, to suggest we’ll have a good season under him with a few blips like this. He has to learn from it and I’m sure he will.
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Doesn't seem like it.

People who refused to judge the last manager for any number of reasons are ready to now Frank has lost his first game
Bishop said:
They are bitter that their guy got the sack so now are gunning for the new guy. It's a bit predictable tbh.
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Bit brick if you've spent the previous year telling people to support managers and give them time while explaining the parameters needed for a manager to be judged for performances.
 
Bishop said:
We don't need a backup for Solanke we need an improvement.
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What we need, and what we will get, are not always the same things mate. :)

Bishop said:
He should have made the changes at half time. There was nothing in the first half to expect it to change in the 2nd.
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There's merit in giving players enough rope to metaphorically hang themselves. Take them off too early and they feel aggrieved and hard-line by. Board will ask questions about if he isn't using them correctly, etc.

Take them off after they've proven utterly unable to change anything, and they can't have too many complaints.

Poch did the same early in his career - he used the bomb squad of Kaboul, Adebayor, etc. until they proved they were unable to adapt to his ways. Once that was clear to all, he binned them and brought in Kane, Mason, Bentaleb et al.
 
Poor. But there was always going to be poor games. Bornemouth played very well and deservedly won. A bit disappointed we couldn't muster more effort earlier, but it happens. Early days, bla bla bla.
 
DubaiSpur said:
For sure. It's reminiscent of early Poch, but I think the key difference is that Poch had the time and space to adapt his approach to become less gung-ho while still being one of the most fearsome pressing teams in the league, until Klopp brought in his system.

Iraola doesn't, because the Premier League is now chock-full of pressing systems, and adapting to become less intense just makes Bournemouth the same as any one of another half-dozen teams that press from the front, us included. It's that manic full commitment that gives them their edge.

Sure, a really deep squad (like Chelsea's) could help offset the downsides of this constant manic pressing. But I struggle to see any manager coping with keeping this style for 60-70 games a season - even Klopp had to ease off gegenpressing in the end.
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I'd rather have a pragmatic manager press-wise like Slot. Think we have that too.
 
Mosquito_Coasting said:
I'd rather have a pragmatic manager press-wise like Slot. Think we have that too.
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For sure, it's ultimately more sustainable in the long-run. You want a manager to be here for 3/4 years, you sort of need to hew towards pragmatism by default.

For a long time, Werder Bremen were a devil-may-care side under Thomas Schaaf, gung-ho in pressing and in the attack. 'You score 4, we'll score 5'. They did quite well for a long time, too, back when football was less structured in the 1990s/2000s.

But the game evolved to punish such naivete - as clubs grew more adept at data-based sport conditioning, periodisation and tactical preparation, Bremen's idealism backfired and was caught out.

Ultimately, they were relegated in 2021 - holdovers from a world that no longer existed. They're back in the Bundesliga now, but I doubt they'll ever be quite as carefree as they were in their heyday.
 
Looked a bit like the spurs players bought into all the positive vibes and showed up expecting to win - a bit like PL clubs often do in cup ties against lower league sides.

Abysmal from front to back from start to finish. Vic made some very good saves but was also a liability with the ball at his feet.

I was surprised that there were no HT changes and more surprised that Frank didn’t seem to have any answers to Iraiola’s system.

Frankly we deserved to lose at least 0-3. AFCB can consider themselves very unlucky to only win by one goal.

I’m not sure that the performance of the referee affected the result but I have to say that he was utterly abysmal. The EPL refs continually plumb new depths of ineptitude and for some reason I’m always surprised when they outdo themselves.

An utterly turgid performance on a fairly miserable afternoon.
 
The Cherries too good for us as often the case with the so called lower teams. Let’s not forget where we finished last season so 6 points from 9 isn’t too bad. Tel is shocking there is NO doubt but there are positives here. I think we can push 8th or even 6th and a nice cup run.
 
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