OMT: Mighty Spurs vs Big Oil

[glasgowspur]

Wow .. seems some people are desperate to prove that we are brick ..

We still have issues to resolve, Tanganga at RB and Lucas at CF alone would tell you that. Add in lack of confidence from a very inconsistent season, several new players bedding in, can we be better? do we need to be better? = absolutely.

What people are missing is this was against one of the better teams in europe, one of the better managers in the world with us under a lot of pressure to make it count with most everyone else dropping points for the week-end.

What they are also missing is how many people who are complaining about us not having more possession are the same people who point to lower level sides who get great results by playing disciplined and making the most of their chances?

We had a tactical approach against both Pool (almost worked, would have if we took our chances) and City (we did take our chances), it's going to take a little while for us to get back to being able to play these teams toe to toe, until then I'm quite happy to see us adjust tactics so it's not a rollover/walk in the park for them.

Tbh I saw a lot of good individual performances and a poor collective one.
But as you say that will come in time, a new manager with different ideas along with a couple of unfamiliar players isn't going to click overnight.
City on the hand had poor individual performance but a decent collective because of the familiarity of the team. They knew their patterns and routes, we've still to get there.

 

[StephenH]

Thought the team performance was excellent with some good individual ones as well

 

[Robspur12]

I'm not sure about you, but other humans don't have the blessing of having slow motion vision.

I think VAR has made referees a little bit lazy tbh. There is no reason why Mike Dean shouldn't have seen it if he was keeping up with play. Actually he awarded a yellow so he must have seen it but his opinion was yellow only. So the decision not to send off Sterling was on him not VAR imho who can only overturn if his error was clear and obvious.

 

[Finney Is Back]

But they hit the target 5 times... 5 times including a penalty
Take the penalty away and it’s 4 times
Is that good when your dominant with the ball?

I'm still not convinced it was even a penalty. Looking at the replay it appeared to me as though Aurier went to poke the ball away, Aguero got there first and poked it away but Aurier's foot seemed to go past the side of Aguero's. Aguero then kind of stopped his run to initiate contact on the back of his legs after the ball had gone, I though that you could an see by the way that Aguero fell (trying to hold his feet back) that it was a dive. I don't understand how VAR can overturn the refs decision there and call it a penalty whereas earlier in the season at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine the ref isn't overruled for the foul on Kane?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm still not convinced it was even a penalty. Looking at the replay it appeared to me as though Aurier went to poke the ball away, Aguero got there first and poked it away but Aurier's foot seemed to go past the side of Aguero's. Aguero then kind of stopped his run to initiate contact on the back of his legs after the ball had gone, I though that you could an see by the way that Aguero fell (trying to hold his feet back) that it was a dive. I don't understand how VAR can overturn the refs decision there and call it a penalty whereas earlier in the season at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine the ref isn't overruled for the foul on Kane?

IMO it wasn’t clear and obvious at the very least
And I also believe that the ref has been making up for lost time with us giving us NO decisions of note ...
But as I said last night I don’t think the ref did anything wrong. The issue remains with VAr if it takes 2 minutes to make a call it can’t be clear and obvious
The dive from sterling was called by var in 22 seconds. They said straight away pretty much no penalty

 

[Robspur12]

I'm still not convinced it was even a penalty. Looking at the replay it appeared to me as though Aurier went to poke the ball away, Aguero got there first and poked it away but Aurier's foot seemed to go past the side of Aguero's. Aguero then kind of stopped his run to initiate contact on the back of his legs after the ball had gone, I though that you could an see by the way that Aguero fell (trying to hold his feet back) that it was a dive. I don't understand how VAR can overturn the refs decision there and call it a penalty whereas earlier in the season at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine the ref isn't overruled for the foul on Kane?

I watched the game again yesterday and I completely agree that Aguero initiated the contact not the other way around. That's probably why VAR looked at it again and again before coming to the wrong decision -imho.

 

[Bishop]

I'm still not convinced it was even a penalty. Looking at the replay it appeared to me as though Aurier went to poke the ball away, Aguero got there first and poked it away but Aurier's foot seemed to go past the side of Aguero's. Aguero then kind of stopped his run to initiate contact on the back of his legs after the ball had gone, I though that you could an see by the way that Aguero fell (trying to hold his feet back) that it was a dive. I don't understand how VAR can overturn the refs decision there and call it a penalty whereas earlier in the season at home to Saudi Sportswashing Machine the ref isn't overruled for the foul on Kane?

I agree. I didn't think it was a pen and I didn't think he did enough to impede Aguero to satisfy the foul requirement. Conversely I did think that the Lloris incident was a pen so i guess on the balance of things considering they didn't score things were balanced out.

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[Robspur12]

Wow .. seems some people are desperate to prove that we are brick ..

We still have issues to resolve, Tanganga at RB and Lucas at CF alone would tell you that. Add in lack of confidence from a very inconsistent season, several new players bedding in, can we be better? do we need to be better? = absolutely.

What people are missing is this was against one of the better teams in europe, one of the better managers in the world with us under a lot of pressure to make it count with most everyone else dropping points for the week-end.

What they are also missing is how many people who are complaining about us not having more possession are the same people who point to lower level sides who get great results by playing disciplined and making the most of their chances?

We had a tactical approach against both Pool (almost worked, would have if we took our chances) and City (we did take our chances), it's going to take a little while for us to get back to being able to play these teams toe to toe, until then I'm quite happy to see us adjust tactics so it's not a rollover/walk in the park for them.

I watched the game again last night and counted at least 3 very good chances including sitters for Gundogen and Aguero which on a different day , one or both go in. Yes we had a plan, yes we defended ok, I thought Winks and Lo Celso were very good. However, we also had a huge slice of luck yesterday and I don't think that game shows anything about our progress other than the resilience is coming back. We still turnover the ball far too easily, we are not crisp with our passing and we give our opponents too many chances. But I am trying to be objective, there is no agenda against Jose, I really like the guy.

That said the result was very pleasing.

 

[Finney Is Back]

They lost the game because of poor finishing. Aguero missed the target from the 6 yard box. De Bruyne missed the target from inside the box , you’d expect him to trouble the keeper. Gundogan would have had a tap in if not for a terrible pass from Sterling. Aguero missed a one on one where he would score more often than not.

Honestly can’t think of a genuine chance we created other than for Son’s goal. Bergwijn’s goal wasn’t even a half chance.

I remember a game last season we lost to United because of poor finishing. I wouldn’t say United deserved the 3 points.

That Aguero chance was actually a tough one. He had a tiny gap at the near post to score with the ball running away from him making it almost impossible for him to wrap his foot around the ball. XG will probably call that a high probability chance, but that's because most chances from that position will be a player arriving at the back post to convert a cross delivered from the other wing. I actually think Aguero's other chance when he hit the post was a much better one, but that was directly created by an appalling pass from Sanchez. Their other best chance (the Gundogan one) was also created by us gifting them the chance (firstly Lloris and Tanganga colliding and then Alderweireld clearing it off the line straight to their player instead of just controlling the ball and clearing properly as he could've done).

For all of City's possession and passing yesterday they created very little indeed. Two best chances directly from big mistakes from us and a dubious penalty, conceded needlessly.

 

[Raziel]

I watched the game again last night and counted at least 3 very good chances including sitters for Gundogen and Aguero which on a different day , one or both go in. Yes we had a plan, yes we defended ok, I thought Winks and Lo Celso were very good. However, we also had a huge slice of luck yesterday and I don't think that game shows anything about our progress other than the resilience is coming back. We still turnover the ball far too easily, we are not crisp with our passing and we give our opponents too many chances. But I am trying to be objective, there is no agenda against Jose, I really like the guy.

That said the result was very pleasing.

Fair, but look at it from this perspective

- How much space did City attackers have on the vast majority of those plays?
- Was anyone for the entire 90 allowed a pop from distance?
- Look at the attacks and see how many Spurs players were in or around the box

Again, not disagreeing but when you have a plan, you make your own luck and to me that was the difference vs. just being brick and somehow coming out with a result

 

[Finney Is Back]

I watched the game again last night and counted at least 3 very good chances including sitters for Gundogen and Aguero which on a different day , one or both go in. Yes we had a plan, yes we defended ok, I thought Winks and Lo Celso were very good. However, we also had a huge slice of luck yesterday and I don't think that game shows anything about our progress other than the resilience is coming back. We still turnover the ball far too easily, we are not crisp with our passing and we give our opponents too many chances. But I am trying to be objective, there is no agenda against Jose, I really like the guy.

That said the result was very pleasing.

Gundogan's chance should've been a sitter but actually wasn't that easy as he was having to stretch for it due to a VERY poor pass. That chance also came about directly due to a mistake from Lloris/Tanganga colliding. Aguero's was anything but a sitter. He had a very small space at the near post to slot that into and had to do it first time with the ball running away from him.

 

[Robspur12]

Gundogan's chance should've been a sitter but actually wasn't that easy as he was having to stretch for it due to a VERY poor pass. That chance also came about directly due to a mistake from Lloris/Tanganga colliding. Aguero's was anything but a sitter. He had a very small space at the near post to slot that into and had to do it first time with the ball running away from him.

On the last point both Richards Jenas on MoTD disagreed and felt he should have put it away.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Fair, but look at it from this perspective

- How much space did City attackers have on the vast majority of those plays?
- Was anyone for the entire 90 allowed a pop from distance?
- Look at the attacks and see how many Spurs players were in or around the box

Again, not disagreeing but when you have a plan, you make your own luck and to me that was the difference vs. just being brick and somehow coming out with a result

I'm with you here. Sometimes over the last few years in games it has looked like being just a matter of time before the opposition scored, yesterday it didn't really seem like that at all. Yes they had loads of the ball, but they weren't carving us open at all. Their best chances came from a needlessly conceded penalty (that I still don't think was actually a penalty) and two big mistakes from us (terrible Sanchez pass and Lloris Tanganga colliding). There was almost nothing else of note in the whole game for them.

 

[Finney Is Back]

On the last point both Richards Jenas on MoTD disagreed and felt he should have put it away.

Look at how much he had to stretch for that. When sliding in like that it is pretty much impossible to be able to control the ball. Emirates Marketing Project absolutely should've scored from that chance as the ball in should've been much better, I would blame the passer rather than the finisher there though.... as I've said several times already though that chance only came about due to a bad mistake from Lloris and Tanganga.

 

[braineclipse]

Wow .. seems some people are desperate to prove that we are brick ..

We still have issues to resolve, Tanganga at RB and Lucas at CF alone would tell you that. Add in lack of confidence from a very inconsistent season, several new players bedding in, can we be better? do we need to be better? = absolutely.

What people are missing is this was against one of the better teams in europe, one of the better managers in the world with us under a lot of pressure to make it count with most everyone else dropping points for the week-end.

What they are also missing is how many people who are complaining about us not having more possession are the same people who point to lower level sides who get great results by playing disciplined and making the most of their chances?

We had a tactical approach against both Pool (almost worked, would have if we took our chances) and City (we did take our chances), it's going to take a little while for us to get back to being able to play these teams toe to toe, until then I'm quite happy to see us adjust tactics so it's not a rollover/walk in the park for them.

I don't think we were brick, not seeing many that are saying that we were.

City had more chances and better chances, we rode our luck at times. At the same time I think Sterling should have been sent off early, that was lucky for them.

I thought we played quite well up against an excellent team. We made too many individual errors (Sanchez passing, Aurier penalty, Lloris tackling Tanganga) and I think the majority of their big chances resulted from those errors. We were lucky not to get punished, but at the same time we played quite well all things considered.

Being clinical and winning in a game against a top team where we're second best isn't a bad thing. We were second best at everything other than finishing though.

Some clear positives again. Those individual errors will cost us if we keep making them in other games though.

 

[Lemonade Money]

IMO it wasn’t clear and obvious at the very least
And I also believe that the ref has been making up for lost time with us giving us NO decisions of note ...
But as I said last night I don’t think the ref did anything wrong. The issue remains with VAr if it takes 2 minutes to make a call it can’t be clear and obvious
The dive from sterling was called by var in 22 seconds. They said straight away pretty much no penalty

Did they have to wait until the ball went out of play? Maybe they called the Aguero decision in 22 seconds?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Did they have to wait until the ball went out of play? Maybe they called the Aguero decision in 22 seconds?

the ball didn’t go out of play
The ref called it back with the whistle why city had the ball in defence

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I don't think we were brick, not seeing many that are saying that we were.

City had more chances and better chances, we rode our luck at times. At the same time I think Sterling should have been sent off early, that was lucky for them.

I thought we played quite well up against an excellent team. We made too many individual errors (Sanchez passing, Aurier penalty, Lloris tackling Tanganga) and I think the majority of their big chances resulted from those errors. We were lucky not to get punished, but at the same time we played quite well all things considered.

Being clinical and winning in a game against a top team where we're second best isn't a bad thing. We were second best at everything other than finishing though.

Some clear positives again. Those individual errors will cost us if we keep making them in other games though.

Actually we ran more than them
Made more defensive tackles and blocks too
I don’t know about interceptions though

 

[StephenH]

They played like a team that will lose their title by 22+ points. They are feeling a little sorry for themselves.

 

[Legohamster]

Seems some won’t be happy if we win the league with Jose because of the style of football.