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**Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**

Seeing clip like that does temper my sympathy for Subotic. But shouldn't Bayern have raised above such antics anyway?

Rather than lowering their level, simply because of past behaviour of their opponent. Would have been a lot more classy to have enjoyed the win without acting in such a pathetic manner, sometimes you just have to let the past go in order to come out better for it.
 

Relatively, given the chances they created, we were yes. We seemed to hang in there and start turning the screw later i the game whe they seemed to tire. Was good overall gameplan by AVB considering who we had missing.

But we were still relatively lucky to get the draw If Chelski had won we could ahve had no complaints. Also if Defoe had been brought on, i'm sure we'd have handed the initiative back to Chelski
 
Seeing clip like that does temper my sympathy for Subotic. But shouldn't Bayern have raised above such antics anyway?

Rather than lowering their level, simply because of past behaviour of their opponent. Would have been a lot more classy to have enjoyed the win without acting in such a pathetic manner, sometimes you just have to let the past go in order to come out better for it.

Yeah, just imagine if Bayern and Robben were us and Bale and that Dortmund and Subotic was Arsenal (or Chelski) and Wheelchair (Terry)....
 
Maybe I'm weird in saying that my happiness would come from our glory, and that I'd rather not have us gloat in front of the losers, even if they were Terry or Wheelchair.

We would have won the Champions League and the bitter blow of the loss that would be felt by our opponents would be enough for me.

I always believe that we should act in a way that respects our opponents and that emits class.

I'm one of those people who wouldn't want us to win by dirty tactics, I'd prefer we won or lost by playing fair. Maybe it's too idealistic these days?
 
Maybe I'm weird in saying that my happiness would come from our glory, and that I'd rather not have us gloat in front of the losers, even if they were Terry or Wheelchair.

We would have won the Champions League and the bitter blow of the loss that would be felt by our opponents would be enough for me.

I always believe that we should act in a way that respects our opponents and that emits class.

I'm one of those people who wouldn't want us to win by dirty tactics, I'd prefer we won or lost by playing fair. Maybe it's too idealistic these days?

No, I think that's fair enough
 
Dortmund were good and played in a very spirited way, a per usual from what i've seen of them. However Bayern did have more individual weapons. You have to wonder how much Goetze not playing harmed Dortmud in the end
 
Apparently it was payback from last years DFB Pokal in which Subotic shouted in Robbens face after he missed a late penalty..

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Dayum, payback is a bitch :lol:
 
Judge for yourself :)

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Hmmm...didn't seem too much of a die to me. Perhaps they have previous that goes back before that. Seems a lot of effort for Subotic to do that for what was a fairly awarded penalty
 
Maybe I'm weird in saying that my happiness would come from our glory, and that I'd rather not have us gloat in front of the losers, even if they were Terry or Wheelchair.

We would have won the Champions League and the bitter blow of the loss that would be felt by our opponents would be enough for me.

I always believe that we should act in a way that respects our opponents and that emits class.

I'm one of those people who wouldn't want us to win by dirty tactics, I'd prefer we won or lost by playing fair. Maybe it's too idealistic these days?

It's probably why you support Spurs! We seem to at least attempt to play by the rules at all times, we don't really surround the ref or engage in silliness with opponents. It may be to our detriment at times but I'm proud of it.
 
ffs Dortmund are soo fudging classy. The players, the fans, the manager :(


I was sitting with the Dortmund fans behind the goal yesterday - one of the best experiences I've had at a sports event.

I appreciate it was a big occasion, and very different to regular games, but to me it showed the lack of atmosphere at games over shouldn't always be blamed on 'soulless stadia' or 'day trippers' or the 'prawn sandwich phalanx'. There was also no beer in the ground - the massive difference was standing.

30-45 minutes before the start of the game Wembley Way had emptied with most of the people left being the ones without tickets. By the time we got in the gate, I thought I'd got the time of the game wrong... 30 minutes before the start and the concourses were almost empty. Nothing happening on the pitch but the fans were building the atmosphere, and - considering it was Wembley - both sides were bloody loud! ...and it stayed that way for most of the match.

It looked pretty good at the other end too. A number of times the Bayern fans had the whole of their top tier jumping up and down together, with some flares coming out the same section at the start of the second half.

Really felt sorry for the Dortmund fans, but overall it was an unreal atmosphere.
 
Tony Pulis spent six months drawing up a plan to "transform" Stoke City before being sacked earlier this week.

Pulis parted company with Stoke on Tuesday following a meeting with chairman Peter Coates in which he had expected to discuss the club's transfer targets and plans for the future.

Those plans will not now include Pulis after his seven-year reign at the Britannia Stadium was brought to an end, but Coates will be armed with a detailed dossier drawn up by the Potters' former manager.

Pulis, who has faced criticism for failing to field young players, revealed he had visited Athletic Bilbao and Bayer Leverkusen for inspiration on how to make the most of Stoke's Academy, which was last year granted Category A status by the FA.

Speaking prior to his departure but in quotes first printed on Saturday, Pulis told The Sun: "I've done a report for Peter which took me six months to complete and three months to write.

"I've given it to Peter and everyone else who matters.

"Ideally, I'd like to transform this club with the right people in the right places, doing it the right way.

"I went out and saw Bilbao and was very, very impressed with their set-up.

"Obviously it's the Basque area, very similar to South Wales in respect of the population.

"Yet Bilbao remain the only club outside Real Madrid and Barcelona never to have been relegated from La Liga.

"I wanted to know how they managed to consistently produce quality players and teams.

"They are like us (Stoke) in many respects, a community club who are up against global giants, yet they consistently manage to punch above their weight.

"I was interested in the way Marcelo Bielsa trained and worked their lads.

"It was a similar story in Germany. I went over to Leverkusen who were overachieving in the German league.

"I could easily have picked Dortmund or Bayern Munich, but I thought I'd pick a club who were very similar to us over the last few years, who have really over-achieved.

"Their youth set-up work was fantastic - the way they trained, the way they worked, the way it was all linked together.

"It was as one all the way through the programme which joined up all the dots."

Pulis has long been a vocal critic of the Academy system and feels more experienced coaches are need to coach club's young players.

He said: "At Bilbao the guys who work with the youth team are all experienced at first-team level.

"At Leverkusen the director of their Academy, Sascha Lewandowski, used to manage the first team. He's actually managed the first team and helped them qualify for the Champions League.

"But he wanted to step down to build the club from the roots up and now he is the director of the Academy.

"It is the way to go, without a shadow of a doubt.

"It has given these clubs not just continuity, but great experience as well.

"Their young players know what it takes to become a first-team player.

"The discipline, structure in their life, the competitiveness needed to make it to the first team.

"I've done my report, Peter Coates will look at it and I'm sure John Coates will look at it too."
 
I was sitting with the Dortmund fans behind the goal yesterday - one of the best experiences I've had at a sports event.

I appreciate it was a big occasion, and very different to regular games, but to me it showed the lack of atmosphere at games over shouldn't always be blamed on 'soulless stadia' or 'day trippers' or the 'prawn sandwich phalanx'. There was also no beer in the ground - the massive difference was standing.

30-45 minutes before the start of the game Wembley Way had emptied with most of the people left being the ones without tickets. By the time we got in the gate, I thought I'd got the time of the game wrong... 30 minutes before the start and the concourses were almost empty. Nothing happening on the pitch but the fans were building the atmosphere, and - considering it was Wembley - both sides were bloody loud! ...and it stayed that way for most of the match.

It looked pretty good at the other end too. A number of times the Bayern fans had the whole of their top tier jumping up and down together, with some flares coming out the same section at the start of the second half.

Really felt sorry for the Dortmund fans, but overall it was an unreal atmosphere.

Indeed they're class.

Always wanted to buy tickets for the Westfalenstadion but it's near impossible :(
 
Too little too late I'm afraid TP. You stupid cap wearing prick, blight on the game, glad he's gone. Now hopefully stoke get relegated next season and never return.
 
Yeah, 6 years in the job and then when he gets fired after spending loads of money and not improving results he's saying that in the last 6 months he's been working on improving the youth system. Shouldn't really take 6 years to start working on that.

Would be interesting to see what happened if Stoke went a completely different route, gave the job to Martinez or someone like that and tried to completely change things around. Probably a bit risky though, would like to see them at least move away from the extreme hoofball approach of Pulis.
 
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