Doesnt count, because against Utd and City, he capitalised on defensive errors, which is a sign of a poor striker. As we all know now, we are better than Chelsea, Pool and Saudi Sportswashing Machine, so really, he only scores against small clubs.
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Official - Defoe
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Doesnt count, because against Utd and City, he capitalised on defensive errors, which is a sign of a poor striker. As we all know now, we are better than Chelsea, Pool and Saudi Sportswashing Machine, so really, he only scores against small clubs.
yiddo2786
Steed Malbranque
Very true
mick cooper
Neil Sullivan
What people have to start to recognise is that aginst better sides he plays better defenders and they are harder to outpace/outfox and at the same time he is getting less feeds, less space and has to fight for scraps.
Statistically and logically all strikers will score less against the top sides - the reason why they are top is because they have better keepers and defenders and harder midfields to get past - the expression flat track bully is meaningless in football, because it will be ever thus.
Enter the Pitbull
Luke Young
Indeed, Ade is leading the prem in offsides this season!
mick cooper
Neil Sullivan
and rubbish goalscoring dances
It's not that I think that he doesn't move or show for the ball, it's just that I don't think he does it very well. And I don't think he's offside because he gambles, but rather because he lacks awareness. I know you didn't get to see the game last night, but the two chances I referred to didn't show him making a run a little bit too early or hovering inches offside, it showed him (if memory serves me correctly) running a yard in front of the last defender a long time before the ball was passed to him, seemingly without any awareness that he was offside. And I feel like I see him doing that all the time.
To approach this from another angle: if you don't think his movement is poor, why do you think he has never really reached a higher level at club or international-level? He's only really had one season with a great goal tally. (In my view his shooting and (maybe) ability to make space for a shot are both world-class.)
Anyway we're certainly not going to suddenly change our respective opinions on this, but it would be interesting to focus on his movement next time he plays and then continue the discussion afterwards.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I'm not too sure of the numbers but Ade has had a bunch of goals wrongly chalked off for offside.
mick cooper
Neil Sullivan
He's worth what he is, because he is only as good as he is.
I'm not trying to pass him off as a world class striker
what I'm trying to do is not to have him condemned as a sunday league pub player who got lucky.
He's not eto'o, and I never said he was
I simply want people to stop flogging the same tired argument, a lot of posters do it, because they simply don't know how else to express the fact that they are angry with him because he didn't score a hat trick for them so their team wouldn't draw/lose, so they trot out all the same arguments that they have read before.
all I'm saying is that Defoe isn't as bad as he is made out to be and that his movement isn't as chronic as people make him out to be.
There are a lot of people who post on here, that genuinely don't have a feckin clue what they are talking about, and all they do is bitch and whine and find spacegoats, when results don't go our way.
Mick, agree with you, Defoe has improved, think this season is a testament to his character after his poor return last.
For me, lots of similarities to Lennon, perhaps will never live up to the potential that obviously is there, but also suffers comments that no longer apply (see the people who still harp on Lenon's end product).
For me, lots of similarities to Lennon, perhaps will never live up to the potential that obviously is there, but also suffers comments that no longer apply (see the people who still harp on Lenon's end product).
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Doesn't often score at their grounds though does he?
Jesus Christ
Ok so we know the deal with Jermain. When he plays, he is often on the periphery of the game but always likely to pop up with a goal, particularly when on a streaky run like he currently seems to be.
We lose a player who is comfortable to drop deep, get involved in the play, but instead gain a player who looks to play off the shoulder of the last defender, and has a vicious shot from distance. So we have a trade off.
What we know is that JD has shown in the past a willingness to work very hard up top, closing down everything. I think he's shown he deserves a shot in the last few games and his goalscoring return in general this year. Having him in the side will be to the detriment of the overall possession play, but certainly gives us a player who can be very dangerous on his day. To be honest he's buzzing right now. I say chuck him in. Get Ade to work off him and get involved in the link up play.
I've seen Ade getting bullied off the ball all too easily recently as the last man. I like him coming deep and striding forward. Very difficult to contain when like that.
We lose a player who is comfortable to drop deep, get involved in the play, but instead gain a player who looks to play off the shoulder of the last defender, and has a vicious shot from distance. So we have a trade off.
What we know is that JD has shown in the past a willingness to work very hard up top, closing down everything. I think he's shown he deserves a shot in the last few games and his goalscoring return in general this year. Having him in the side will be to the detriment of the overall possession play, but certainly gives us a player who can be very dangerous on his day. To be honest he's buzzing right now. I say chuck him in. Get Ade to work off him and get involved in the link up play.
I've seen Ade getting bullied off the ball all too easily recently as the last man. I like him coming deep and striding forward. Very difficult to contain when like that.
and stamped on lehmans toes, legend
yiddo2786
Steed Malbranque
Scored at the Etihad and St James'
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Yes but they dont count. At the Etihad - defensive lapse. At St James - he had just come on and their defenders werent ready for him.
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DHSF
Les Ferdinand
A player who plays off the shoulder will generally be offside on more occasions than someone like VDV who drops deep so deep he may as well be a sweeper.
Players like Defoe and Bent play the percentages game. They make 15 runs a game knowing that they may be offside on 10 of them but in those five they will spring the offside trap and they have the pace to get away. Its simple.