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braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Jermain Defoe
I disagree.
Soldado scored one in two against Tblisi. Defoe scored one in two against Tblisi, Tromsø and a weakened Villa side. All 3 games were games where we were the better team on the pitch by a mile.
If AVB thinks that Soldado is the better striker overall than Defoe then it makes sense to keep Soldado starting and assuming that he will find his form. We know how good Defoe is, we've seen for a decade, AVB knows how good Defoe is. A purple patch against Tblisi, Tromsø and Villa doesn't change that.
I mentioned it in another thread, but RvP went through 10 games scoring one goal last season iirc. Should he have been dropped? Did Ferguson send a very bad message out to their entire playing squad? Or did he do the right thing trusting a top player to return to goalscoring form when given time on the pitch?
Your last paragraph is just wrong mate. Do you really and seriously think anyone in our squad thinks this? Do you really think this is the signal AVB is sending out to our entire playing squad?
I disagree.
Soldado scored one in two against Tblisi. Defoe scored one in two against Tblisi, Tromsø and a weakened Villa side. All 3 games were games where we were the better team on the pitch by a mile.
If AVB thinks that Soldado is the better striker overall than Defoe then it makes sense to keep Soldado starting and assuming that he will find his form. We know how good Defoe is, we've seen for a decade, AVB knows how good Defoe is. A purple patch against Tblisi, Tromsø and Villa doesn't change that.
I mentioned it in another thread, but RvP went through 10 games scoring one goal last season iirc. Should he have been dropped? Did Ferguson send a very bad message out to their entire playing squad? Or did he do the right thing trusting a top player to return to goalscoring form when given time on the pitch?
Your last paragraph is just wrong mate. Do you really and seriously think anyone in our squad thinks this? Do you really think this is the signal AVB is sending out to our entire playing squad?
superfaisty
Nico Claesen
Re: Jermain Defoe
I find myself changing my mind on this one - Soldado I think is the better all round striker, getting involved in the build up play etc, and once he has settled and used to the team play (once that itself has settled) I think we will see more goals from him.
Defoe though I think at the moment is the better finisher but very inconsistent, but he does get into the right position to finish if that makes sense. Chelsea was a classic example - Bobby was excellent working for the team, being part of Siggy's goal, but Defoe was the one who found himself at the end of the game in the box on his favoured right foot and then tamely side footed it to make it easier for the keeper. I found myself wishing that that had been Bobby not Defoe but them's the breaks.
To be honest as much as I think Soldado and Defoe will score goals for us, I wish we had signed someone like Lukaku - bit more raw but with a physical presence to give us an option. By all rights Ade should be that player but isn't.
With rumours that we're still looking for a striker I would be worried if I was Defoe - I can't see him dislodging Soldado as first choice in the PL unless bobby gets injured and in a world cup year, there's only going to be so many cup games that he can play.
I find myself changing my mind on this one - Soldado I think is the better all round striker, getting involved in the build up play etc, and once he has settled and used to the team play (once that itself has settled) I think we will see more goals from him.
Defoe though I think at the moment is the better finisher but very inconsistent, but he does get into the right position to finish if that makes sense. Chelsea was a classic example - Bobby was excellent working for the team, being part of Siggy's goal, but Defoe was the one who found himself at the end of the game in the box on his favoured right foot and then tamely side footed it to make it easier for the keeper. I found myself wishing that that had been Bobby not Defoe but them's the breaks.
To be honest as much as I think Soldado and Defoe will score goals for us, I wish we had signed someone like Lukaku - bit more raw but with a physical presence to give us an option. By all rights Ade should be that player but isn't.
With rumours that we're still looking for a striker I would be worried if I was Defoe - I can't see him dislodging Soldado as first choice in the PL unless bobby gets injured and in a world cup year, there's only going to be so many cup games that he can play.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Re: Jermain Defoe
There is a myth that pervades this forum, it relates to Defoe being better for Spurs as an impact player from the bench rather than starting games for us. Interestingly under AVB he has scored 22 goals in 38 starts but only scored once in 13 as a sub, against Emirates Marketing Project. I am not saying he has to start on Sunday, just making an observation
There is a myth that pervades this forum, it relates to Defoe being better for Spurs as an impact player from the bench rather than starting games for us. Interestingly under AVB he has scored 22 goals in 38 starts but only scored once in 13 as a sub, against Emirates Marketing Project. I am not saying he has to start on Sunday, just making an observation
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
Can't believe Defoe has been with Spurs for 9 long years ! He seems to love Spurs so much ! Even when we sold him to Portsmouth for 1 season, he looked so sad to leave us at the time. And he has a valid reason to regret that move as that was the season we won the CC. You have to feel sorry for him as for all the years he played at Spurs, he has no trophy to show for. Don't think he has ever reached his true potential while at Spurs. Thought he would become a 20-league-goals-a-season striker for us but he never reached that mark. He will be 31 on Monday. Can see Levy selling Defoe at the end of the season if we get good offer.
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Roland Beurre
Tony Parks
Re: Jermain Defoe
And here is the bolded bit.
he might not be scoring but i think his movement and anticipation is several steps above Defoe and the few s****s he has had to work with he usually tests the keeper
I look forward to the day when Soldado moves beyond testing the goalkeeper and starts beating the goalkeeper.
It will come. The important thing is to get shots on target, and he seems pretty good at that. Of course, so is Defoe.
And here is the bolded bit.
he might not be scoring but i think his movement and anticipation is several steps above Defoe and the few s****s he has had to work with he usually tests the keeper
I look forward to the day when Soldado moves beyond testing the goalkeeper and starts beating the goalkeeper.
It will come. The important thing is to get shots on target, and he seems pretty good at that. Of course, so is Defoe.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Jermain Defoe
Interesting observation Naija. 13 sub appearances is a pretty small sample size, if those averaged 20 minutes each it's "only" 260 minutes of football - less than 3 full games. Interesting none the less, I do hope that when Defoe is used as a sub he's used in situations that suit him and us. Not that he's just thrown in because he's a striker and we need goals. That's one of my pet peeves in football actually, just because you need a goal doesn't mean that adding another striker is the right solution.
Interesting observation Naija. 13 sub appearances is a pretty small sample size, if those averaged 20 minutes each it's "only" 260 minutes of football - less than 3 full games. Interesting none the less, I do hope that when Defoe is used as a sub he's used in situations that suit him and us. Not that he's just thrown in because he's a striker and we need goals. That's one of my pet peeves in football actually, just because you need a goal doesn't mean that adding another striker is the right solution.
Spurs7891
Jermaine Jenas
Jermain Defoe's fears for World Cup place
Last Updated: October 5, 2013 10:44am
Jermain Defoe admits he is worried his lack of Premier League action could cost him a place at the World Cup finals.
Defoe, 30, has been in excellent form in the Capital One Cup and Europa League this term with seven goals already to his name.
"I don't think at my age I have got anything to prove but to get into the squad that goes to a major tournament, you have got to be playing for your club"
However, big summer signing Roberto Soldado has emerged as first choice under Andre Villas-Boas and Defoe has yet to start a league game this season.
And Defoe admits that he is worried that his England place could come under pressure ahead of next summer's World Cup in Brazil.
"It is great to score in those competitions but I feel you have got to be scoring in the Premier League," said Defoe.
"I don't think at my age I have got anything to prove but to get into the squad that goes to a major tournament, you have got to be playing for your club.
Frustration
"As you can imagine, it is very frustrating - especially after I worked so hard pre-season and telling people 'I feel sharper and stronger than ever.' That has shown in my games.
"I don't know what more I could do really. I am doing my talking on the pitch.
"Scoring goals is the answer, going out there and showing the manager what I can do.
"Obviously you have a word with the manager. I speak to Andre and stuff like that. But I have got to play, it's a World Cup year."
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Defoe is rightly getting frustrated over his lack of game time in the league. I think AVB should start a squad rotation between Soldado and Defoe to solve this problem.
Last Updated: October 5, 2013 10:44am
Jermain Defoe admits he is worried his lack of Premier League action could cost him a place at the World Cup finals.
Defoe, 30, has been in excellent form in the Capital One Cup and Europa League this term with seven goals already to his name.
"I don't think at my age I have got anything to prove but to get into the squad that goes to a major tournament, you have got to be playing for your club"
However, big summer signing Roberto Soldado has emerged as first choice under Andre Villas-Boas and Defoe has yet to start a league game this season.
And Defoe admits that he is worried that his England place could come under pressure ahead of next summer's World Cup in Brazil.
"It is great to score in those competitions but I feel you have got to be scoring in the Premier League," said Defoe.
"I don't think at my age I have got anything to prove but to get into the squad that goes to a major tournament, you have got to be playing for your club.
Frustration
"As you can imagine, it is very frustrating - especially after I worked so hard pre-season and telling people 'I feel sharper and stronger than ever.' That has shown in my games.
"I don't know what more I could do really. I am doing my talking on the pitch.
"Scoring goals is the answer, going out there and showing the manager what I can do.
"Obviously you have a word with the manager. I speak to Andre and stuff like that. But I have got to play, it's a World Cup year."
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Defoe is rightly getting frustrated over his lack of game time in the league. I think AVB should start a squad rotation between Soldado and Defoe to solve this problem.
metalgear
Luka Modric
i just think that defoe does a job, a very narrow job. but when it presents itself he'll finish the job well.
soldado presents better options not just in build up, but from his movement you can see that he can be on the end on some intricate play. it will take the players sometime to get it right, but when it does i can see the floodgates opening too for soldado
soldado presents better options not just in build up, but from his movement you can see that he can be on the end on some intricate play. it will take the players sometime to get it right, but when it does i can see the floodgates opening too for soldado
Jermain Defoe admits leaving West Ham was a ‘massive mistake’ and has revealed he still ‘loves the club’, triggering talk of a return to Upton Park.
The England striker has long been a peripheral figure at Tottenham Hotspur under Andre Villas-Boas and has made just one Premier League start this term.
And, with the January transfer window now eight weeks away, Defoe’s expression of fondness for his former club could well prove timely, especially given the Hammers' shortage of frontmen with record signing Andy Carroll sidelined since the summer with a lingering heel injury.
Defoe signed for West Ham as a 16-year-old in 1999 and was a fans' favourite at the Boleyn Ground until, within 24 hours of the club’s relegation in 2003, he handed in a transfer request.
The striker's popularity duly plummeted and, after spending an ill-disciplined five months in the Championship during which he was sent off three times, he was sold to Spurs for £6milion.
The 31-year-old has since been heckled by the home support on every re-appearance at his old home.
Now, however, it appears that Defoe has extended an olive branch to those fans.
‘It was a massive mistake (to leave West Ham) - I didn’t really want to do it,’ Defoe told ITV4's Sport Life Stories, which is due to air on November 5.
‘The person who represented me at the time said, "You need to hand in a transfer request and get in early because all the lads are going to leave".
‘I remember going in and I was so nervous. It was [then-West Ham chief executive] Paul Aldridge and I gave him the letter and he said, "What’s this?" And I said, "It's a transfer request". He looked at me as if to say, "Are you kidding?"
‘The backlash was crazy. I felt like I was on my own and people were absolutely abusing me.
‘To this day I can imagine West Ham fans look at me and think, "Who does he think he is? How can you do that? You're a Judas". And it's quite sad really because I can honestly say I still love that club.’
However, it would appear West Ham are reluctant to make a move for their former forward, at least on the evidence of Jack Sullivan’s Twitter account, the 11-year-old son of joint-chairman, David.
When asked by one supporter if the club needed someone like Defoe, Sullivan junior replied: ‘Not for 8m and 70k a week’, before adding, ‘he 30 trust me not a good buy’.
Meanwhile, there has been talk of Defoe’s former Spurs team-mate Ryan Nelsen – now in charge of MLS side Toronto – making an approach for the attacker.
'[He is] One of the most natural goalscorers I have ever come across. Always out training, always trying to score, a great guy,’ said Nelsen.
'To get a guy like Defoe for the MLS, I cannot think of many that are more suited. I think if you ask most Premier League teams, they would take Defoe.
'It would be incredible. I call him and text him all the time. Him playing in Toronto would be phenomenal.
'If you look around the world and try and think of a realistic player - and I am not sure how realistic he is - that complements a league like ours, never gets injured, doesn't drink, can play high, low, scores all sorts of goals.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2487655/Spurs-striker-Jermain-Defoe-says-massive-mistake-leave-West-Ham.html
Planning his exit? Contract negotiations in need of a bump?
The England striker has long been a peripheral figure at Tottenham Hotspur under Andre Villas-Boas and has made just one Premier League start this term.
And, with the January transfer window now eight weeks away, Defoe’s expression of fondness for his former club could well prove timely, especially given the Hammers' shortage of frontmen with record signing Andy Carroll sidelined since the summer with a lingering heel injury.
Defoe signed for West Ham as a 16-year-old in 1999 and was a fans' favourite at the Boleyn Ground until, within 24 hours of the club’s relegation in 2003, he handed in a transfer request.
The striker's popularity duly plummeted and, after spending an ill-disciplined five months in the Championship during which he was sent off three times, he was sold to Spurs for £6milion.
The 31-year-old has since been heckled by the home support on every re-appearance at his old home.
Now, however, it appears that Defoe has extended an olive branch to those fans.
‘It was a massive mistake (to leave West Ham) - I didn’t really want to do it,’ Defoe told ITV4's Sport Life Stories, which is due to air on November 5.
‘The person who represented me at the time said, "You need to hand in a transfer request and get in early because all the lads are going to leave".
‘I remember going in and I was so nervous. It was [then-West Ham chief executive] Paul Aldridge and I gave him the letter and he said, "What’s this?" And I said, "It's a transfer request". He looked at me as if to say, "Are you kidding?"
‘The backlash was crazy. I felt like I was on my own and people were absolutely abusing me.
‘To this day I can imagine West Ham fans look at me and think, "Who does he think he is? How can you do that? You're a Judas". And it's quite sad really because I can honestly say I still love that club.’
However, it would appear West Ham are reluctant to make a move for their former forward, at least on the evidence of Jack Sullivan’s Twitter account, the 11-year-old son of joint-chairman, David.
When asked by one supporter if the club needed someone like Defoe, Sullivan junior replied: ‘Not for 8m and 70k a week’, before adding, ‘he 30 trust me not a good buy’.
Meanwhile, there has been talk of Defoe’s former Spurs team-mate Ryan Nelsen – now in charge of MLS side Toronto – making an approach for the attacker.
'[He is] One of the most natural goalscorers I have ever come across. Always out training, always trying to score, a great guy,’ said Nelsen.
'To get a guy like Defoe for the MLS, I cannot think of many that are more suited. I think if you ask most Premier League teams, they would take Defoe.
'It would be incredible. I call him and text him all the time. Him playing in Toronto would be phenomenal.
'If you look around the world and try and think of a realistic player - and I am not sure how realistic he is - that complements a league like ours, never gets injured, doesn't drink, can play high, low, scores all sorts of goals.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2487655/Spurs-striker-Jermain-Defoe-says-massive-mistake-leave-West-Ham.html
Planning his exit? Contract negotiations in need of a bump?
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Apparently the lads call him "goals" in training. Make of that what you will.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
'Offside' is more accurate. Him and Ade are both bad for it to be fair.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Jermian Defoe he's a Pikey. What a ****
Armchair Expert
Vedran Corluka
One mistake AVB has made this season was playing Defoe against the weak teams. Soldado should've been starting every game he's been fit for.
Then he'd probably be on 10-12 for the season, confident as, and would have had the chance to display his finishing skills.
Playing Defoe in the EL has achieved nothing: it leads to calls for Defoe to start, even though he hasn't scored in the league for about 150 games, and denies Soldado the chance to bully some defences. Big mistake from AVB there.
Then he'd probably be on 10-12 for the season, confident as, and would have had the chance to display his finishing skills.
Playing Defoe in the EL has achieved nothing: it leads to calls for Defoe to start, even though he hasn't scored in the league for about 150 games, and denies Soldado the chance to bully some defences. Big mistake from AVB there.
Will Defoe go down as a Spurs legend? Bearing in mind the number of games he has played for us, the number of goals scored?