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O/T Olympic Football 2012
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The Moonlit Knight
Banned
I can't agree with that. King was brilliant in midfield under Graham and he was also our best central defender in the 01/02 season (unfortunately he had a stinker in the League Cup final though).
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
wasn't hard though was it. Look at our team. I agree about him being good in midfield, in fact I thought he looked brilliant in the position and it came natural to him. It's different back then. Take King back when he was 19, put him in our whole team we have now, he'd probably be loaned out to a Championship or League One team nowadays as opposed to being thrown in at the deep end.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree with Mumorn, playing alongside Naybet brought King on leaps and bounds
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Don't TELL me I am wrong you arrogant so and so. Say in your OPINION I am wrong.
And IMO King was exceptional in his younger years, but what became painfully obvious after three of four seasons that if he played on the right hand side of the centre backs he looked nowhere near as comfortable as on the left.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
It's strange - watching players like Tom Cleverley, Aaron Ramsey, Jordan Henderson, Jack Cork... they are all neat and tidy but none of them really make me go WOW!
Ramsey is probably the best, most cultured, but is extremely one-paced so when he gets there, he can't burst clear and seal the deal.
Maybe Cleverley is like Lampard, lots of short passes, triangles, hard work, neat and tidy, then pops up with a well timed goal...
They are all good, but none of them make me think "I WISH WE HAD HIM!"
I guess they are a step above Livermore and Jenas, but not ten steps above.
Joe Allen is another but at least he has a defined "type" - neat, continuity, recycling... the others all seem to be good at everything but brilliant at nothing IMO - this new generation
PS - I just hit a keyboard short cut and my screen has rotated by 90 degrees
How do I get it back to zero degrees FFS?!
Ramsey is probably the best, most cultured, but is extremely one-paced so when he gets there, he can't burst clear and seal the deal.
Maybe Cleverley is like Lampard, lots of short passes, triangles, hard work, neat and tidy, then pops up with a well timed goal...
They are all good, but none of them make me think "I WISH WE HAD HIM!"
I guess they are a step above Livermore and Jenas, but not ten steps above.
Joe Allen is another but at least he has a defined "type" - neat, continuity, recycling... the others all seem to be good at everything but brilliant at nothing IMO - this new generation
PS - I just hit a keyboard short cut and my screen has rotated by 90 degrees
How do I get it back to zero degrees FFS?!
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
The team did, not just King. King seemingly went backwards in 02/03 and 03/04 but a lot of that was down to the simple fact that he was either
a) Played on the right hand side of pairing to accomodate Gardner
b) Our midfield lacked any sort of defensive presence once Freund got injured and never came back as the same player.
Then we bought Davis, Carrick and Mendes (not to mention Davids a year later) and our defence was a lot more solid. Also Naybet was a superb defender, no doubt about that and it took a lot of heat off of King.
This is giving me deja vu, but no one played well alongside Gardner who remains one of the weakest defenders I've ever seen as a Spurs regular.
Spaceman
Ruel Fox
well, your wrong. my previous statement is correct
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
What's the relevance?
At the time King broke into the side we also had players like Anthony Gardner and Alton Thelwell making their Spurs debuts at similar ages as King. Last season Caulker was in direct competition with King, Gallas, Kaboul, Dawson and Bassong for a place in the side. Had their situations been reversed you could easily have seen Caulker make his debut a year earlier than King instead of the other way around.
I also agree with others that King wasn't exceptional when he first broke into the side. I think quite a few people were rating Gardner higher than him in the early years.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Answer the other question as well then. Go on. What Premiership player DON'T you rate?
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
See the context of where the reply came from.
And ANYONE who rated Gardner above King at any point should go and follow another sport :lol: I remember the battles I used to have on here during the Hoddle era regarding Etherington, Davies and Gardner and how none of them were clearly good enough to take us to the next level, let alone the three or four levels we needed to rise!
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I agree with the first part. I don't think Ramsey is the best out of that lot, promising players, but he makes way too many poor passes in my opinion. Will probably come good though.
At 20-21 I don't think Lampard or Gerrard were that outstanding either, were they? It's all about who can make that step up to become class, very few players are already there at that age.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Awesome, thank you MK
Tomorrow I'm gonna rotate about 50 screens when no-one is looking
Ctrl-Alt-Left
Niiiiice
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Isn't that a bit immature?*
* - I may have done this several times to people at work myself over the years!!!
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I did see the other posts.
I just don't see how what you said had any relevance. What is more impressive, making your debut at 19 in a squad including Gardner and Thelwell or making your debut at 20 in a squad including the players we have now?
The debate on how good King was back then is obviously not going anywhere though, we clearly just remember what happened back then differently.
Spaceman
Ruel Fox
i know what comes next so not gonna fall for your bait
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Yeah, maybe I expect too much and they have been hyped too far and sold for too much money
I just expect to see that one is a Modric type, one is a Parker type, one is like Scholes, one is like Fabregas or Thudd or Gerrard or whatever... it seems that they are all quite good but not brilliant at anything and none are really dribblers or shooters or passers or tacklers... they are just adept at everything - maybe that is the new school of teaching, making players good at everything but brilliant at nothing.
You remember that kid at Everton that played a few times as an attacking midfielder type? Can't think of his name now, but he blew me away and I just thought WOW HE IS GOING TO BE HUGE after seeing about 30 seconds of him on the ball - the way he takes the ball down, turns and drives at players, commits players, makes things happen, a real danger
These other guys just seem nice and fine and good but...
I mean, are any of them worth big money, you could find the same 'tidy passer' in any league in the world for £3m