Next Spurs Manager v.2

[Baleforce]

Wow. Did you watch those games? Dortmund were fantastic, up against a very good Real Madrid side. They didn't just have a brilliant centre forward (one signed under Klopp for about half the cost of Peter Crouch btw), they had and have a brilliant team.

He's obviously no magician, I'm not sure anyone's saying he is? But his achievements have been very impressive and he's rightly thought of as one of the highest rated young(ish) managers around and one that will most likely be courted by the biggest clubs in the world should he chose to leave Dortmund.

yes they were absolutely brilliant, but Madrid were the better side in the 2nd leg and nearly turned it around

also, splitting hairs, but he's not that young, he's been managing since 2001

 

[Gutter Boy]

Holtby is on the LVG bandwagon now as well. Some interesting new quotes form him:


“He’s proven in the Dutch, German and Spanish leagues that’s he’s a top, top manager.

“It’s not for me to judge how good he is, all I will say is that he has won a lot of things.

“The way Bayern Munich are playing now has his handwriting. I played against one of his teams, when I was with Mainz, and he’s very good.”

 

[glorygloryeze]

Holtby is on the LVG bandwagon now as well. Some interesting new quotes form him:


“He’s proven in the Dutch, German and Spanish leagues that’s he’s a top, top manager.

“It’s not for me to judge how good he is, all I will say is that he has won a lot of things.

“The way Bayern Munich are playing now has his handwriting. I played against one of his teams, when I was with Mainz, and he’s very good.”

What questions was he responding to? Source?

 

[Cochise]

New quotes there from Holbty. Last week he said he'd like to get back to Tottenham and said the LVG was a very talented manager, these quotes offer a little more detail.

I don't think we have a snowball's chance of signing Klopp, but as I read from a poster on another website, the club need to decide on what style of football we want to play before hiring a manager. Would our current crop of players suit a possession based system or a counter attacking system? If we don't want to have another season with a whole new starting XI then it would be best to hire a coach that would coach a system that best suits our players. Best question would be who would get the most out of Eriksen?

 

[indianspur]

New quotes there from Holbty. Last week he said he'd like to get back to Tottenham and said the LVG was a very talented manager, these quotes offer a little more detail.

I don't think we have a snowball's chance of signing Klopp, but as I read from a poster on another website, the club need to decide on what style of football we want to play before hiring a manager. Would our current crop of players suit a possession based system or a counter attacking system? If we don't want to have another season with a whole new starting XI then it would be best to hire a coach that would coach a system that best suits our players. Best question would be who would get the most out of Eriksen?

i think we could play either with a few minor adjustments to the squad.......

 

[Lemonade Money]

Holtby is on the LVG bandwagon now as well. Some interesting new quotes form him:


“He’s proven in the Dutch, German and Spanish leagues that’s he’s a top, top manager.

“It’s not for me to judge how good he is, all I will say is that he has won a lot of things.

“The way Bayern Munich are playing now has his handwriting. I played against one of his teams, when I was with Mainz, and he’s very good.”

"Tim Sherwood is a ****er."

"Arsenal supporting PE teacher."

.

 

[Gutter Boy]

What questions was he responding to? Source?

Not sure. It was a Talksport interview apparently (I just pasted them from Twitter).

New quotes there from Holbty. Last week he said he'd like to get back to Tottenham and said the LVG was a very talented manager, these quotes offer a little more detail.

I don't think we have a snowball's chance of signing Klopp, but as I read from a poster on another website, the club need to decide on what style of football we want to play before hiring a manager. Would our current crop of players suit a possession based system or a counter attacking system? If we don't want to have another season with a whole new starting XI then it would be best to hire a coach that would coach a system that best suits our players. Best question would be who would get the most out of Eriksen?

Definitely possession based (Lennon and Townsend perhaps being the only exceptions).

I think we need to replace Dembele with someone who moves the ball better (e.g. Claise or Banega) and coach the likes of Soldado, Lamela, Eriksen and Ade a bit more in synchronised movement, and we'll be there.

 

[NWND]

I think you're right.

From a swissramble blog (http://swissramble.blogspot.no/2012/10/borussia-dortmund-back-in-game.html):

Deloitte league 10/11, before the CL money started rolling in as a result of what Klopp had achieved:

Schalke might have some CL money in that, I'm not sure. Either way it goes towards showing that it's not like Dortmund have been comfortably the 2nd richest club in Germany all along. Unsurprisingly those financial results have come as a result of success on the pitch.

Also, net spend over 3 years for some Germany clubs:

Not like Klopp has taken over "comfortably the 2nd richest club in Germany" and then bought them the success they should have been getting all along...

The wages table would be more interesting than the transfer fee table. Dortmund have broken even on transfer spending largely because they've had to sell their best player every season for the last few seasons, much like we have.

Wages are the biggest indication of where a club will finish in a table. Infact, statistical analysis of football trends have shown money spent on wages is one of the only if not the only reliable indication of where a club will finish in a league competition and when taken over a period, almost always ends up with the clubs placed in order of wages spent.

Like i said, Klopp has not punched above his weight with Dortmund. The fact that they were underachieving when he arrived makes no difference to my opinion. It's like a new Manager taking over Man Utd after this season when they finish 6th or 7th and everyone saying they've done an amazing job when they finish 2nd the season after. Every season Man Utd don't finish 1st is a disaster for them.

Just as every season Dortmund aren't the best of the rest is pretty much a disaster for them too.

I think far too much weight of expectation is placed on these kind of young, up and coming managers who have a bit of a quirky personality like Klopp & AVB. They're seen as students of the game and their achievements are inflated by people.

Sure, they did well at Dortmund and Porto, but come on, you SHOULD do well at a club like that with talent like Lewandowski, Gotze, Hulk, Falcao, Moutinho etc

I'd much prefer someone like LVG who has PROVEN he can adapt a successful formula WHEREVER he ends up, at various levels of club and budget and has proven experience of managing across different clubs, leagues etc.

 

[indianspur]

The wages table would be more interesting than the transfer fee table. Dortmund have broken even on transfer spending largely because they've had to sell their best player every season for the last few seasons, much like we have.

Wages are the biggest indication of where a club will finish in a table. Infact, statistical analysis of football trends have shown money spent on wages is one of the only if not the only reliable indication of where a club will finish in a league competition and when taken over a period, almost always ends up with the clubs placed in order of wages spent.

Like i said, Klopp has not punched above his weight with Dortmund. The fact that they were underachieving when he arrived makes no difference to my opinion. It's like a new Manager taking over Man Utd after this season when they finish 6th or 7th and everyone saying they've done an amazing job when they finish 2nd the season after. Every season Man Utd don't finish 1st is a disaster for them.

Just as every season Dortmund aren't the best of the rest is pretty much a disaster for them too.

I think far too much weight of expectation is placed on these kind of young, up and coming managers who have a bit of a quirky personality like Klopp & AVB. They're seen as students of the game and their achievements are inflated by people.

Sure, they did well at Dortmund and Porto, but come on, you SHOULD do well at a club like that with talent like Lewandowski, Gotze, Hulk, Falcao, Moutinho etc

I'd much prefer someone like LVG who has PROVEN he can adapt a successful formula WHEREVER he ends up, at various levels of club and budget and has proven experience of managing across different clubs, leagues etc.

i dont think its fair to compare Klopp with AVB......at all. You really are underestimating the job Klopp has done at Dortmund. Yes in terms of being proven at a number of clubs then LVG has a huge advantage. But please, Klopp has done very well at Dortmund. The 5 previous seasons before he joined they finished 6th, 7th, 7th, 9th and 13th. So yes they were underachieving for many years and were a disaster off and on the pitch. They have never been like an Ajax, a Bayern or a Barca.

 

[braineclipse]

yes they were absolutely brilliant, but Madrid were the better side in the 2nd leg and nearly turned it around

also, splitting hairs, but he's not that young, he's been managing since 2001

And Dortmund were easily the better side in the 2nd leg this season and very nearly turned it around. I'm sorry, twist and turn it however you want, matching Real Madrid in terms of performance over two legs of the CL is a massive achievement by a club like Dortmund considering where they were only a handful of years back. I think as Spurs fans we should easily realize this considering how we fared when matched up against Real in the CL.

He's 46, I described him as young(ish), split hairs all you want I think that's pretty accurate for a manager. Sherwood is 45 by the way, Rodgers is 41. I didn't say inexperienced just to be perfectly clear.

The wages table would be more interesting than the transfer fee table. Dortmund have broken even on transfer spending largely because they've had to sell their best player every season for the last few seasons, much like we have.

Wages are the biggest indication of where a club will finish in a table. Infact, statistical analysis of football trends have shown money spent on wages is one of the only if not the only reliable indication of where a club will finish in a league competition and when taken over a period, almost always ends up with the clubs placed in order of wages spent.

Like i said, Klopp has not punched above his weight with Dortmund. The fact that they were underachieving when he arrived makes no difference to my opinion. It's like a new Manager taking over Man Utd after this season when they finish 6th or 7th and everyone saying they've done an amazing job when they finish 2nd the season after. Every season Man Utd don't finish 1st is a disaster for them.

Just as every season Dortmund aren't the best of the rest is pretty much a disaster for them too.

I think far too much weight of expectation is placed on these kind of young, up and coming managers who have a bit of a quirky personality like Klopp & AVB. They're seen as students of the game and their achievements are inflated by people.

Sure, they did well at Dortmund and Porto, but come on, you SHOULD do well at a club like that with talent like Lewandowski, Gotze, Hulk, Falcao, Moutinho etc

I'd much prefer someone like LVG who has PROVEN he can adapt a successful formula WHEREVER he ends up, at various levels of club and budget and has proven experience of managing across different clubs, leagues etc.

Only real wage stats in that article:

No comparisons to other clubs, but I'm guessing that clubs like Schalke who was mentioned in the previous stats with a comparable or larger turnover for comparison have had wages to turnover ratios all that much lower than 40-50%.

The comparison to United, after one poor season compared to Dortmund's financial and sporting problems since their last great periods doesn't seem apt at all to me. Remember how United had a net spend of close to £70m this season? And are likely or at least capable to match that come the summer... How is this comparable to the Dortmund situation?

Isn't part of the criticism aimed at LvG that he's mainly been successful at big clubs?

 

[Gutter Boy]

Hotspur Related ‏@HotspurRelated
Dutch source De Telegraaf claim Louis Van Gaal will give Tottenham his decision whether to become their manager next week. #THFC

 

[Raziel]

Hotspur Related ‏@HotspurRelated
Dutch source De Telegraaf claim Louis Van Gaal will give Tottenham his decision whether to become their manager next week. #THFC

Almost in line with the earlier claims that he would make a decision before first week in May.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Almost in line with the earlier claims that he would make a decision before first week in May.

Would be good if we can announce it before the end of the season. We don't want our international players going to the WC disillusioned and ripe for being tapped up.

 

[milo]

And Dortmund were easily the better side in the 2nd leg this season and very nearly turned it around. I'm sorry, twist and turn it however you want, matching Real Madrid in terms of performance over two legs of the CL is a massive achievement by a club like Dortmund considering where they were only a handful of years back. I think as Spurs fans we should easily realize this considering how we fared when matched up against Real in the CL.

He's 46, I described him as young(ish), split hairs all you want I think that's pretty accurate for a manager. Sherwood is 45 by the way, Rodgers is 41. I didn't say inexperienced just to be perfectly clear.



Only real wage stats in that article:

No comparisons to other clubs, but I'm guessing that clubs like Schalke who was mentioned in the previous stats with a comparable or larger turnover for comparison have had wages to turnover ratios all that much lower than 40-50%.

The comparison to United, after one poor season compared to Dortmund's financial and sporting problems since their last great periods doesn't seem apt at all to me. Remember how United had a net spend of close to £70m this season? And are likely or at least capable to match that come the summer... How is this comparable to the Dortmund situation?

Isn't part of the criticism aimed at LvG that he's mainly been successful at big clubs?

I know it is different leagues and all that but QPR's wage bill is higher than Dortmund's this season.

 

[Hootnow]

I know it is different leagues and all that but QPR's wage bill is higher than Dortmund's this season.

As is ours.

And he took them to the CL final last season.....

 

[AdamB]

I don't think we have a snowball's chance of signing Klopp, but as I read from a poster on another website, the club need to decide on what style of football we want to play before hiring a manager. Would our current crop of players suit a possession based system or a counter attacking system? If we don't want to have another season with a whole new starting XI then it would be best to hire a coach that would coach a system that best suits our players. Best question would be who would get the most out of Eriksen?

So you want the non-footballing directors of a club to decide this? even with Baldini;s help its daft. Get in a manager who has a proven track record and let him manage without any hassle

 

[AdamB]

Would be good if we can announce it before the end of the season. We don't want our international players going to the WC disillusioned and ripe for being tapped up.

Agree 1000000%

 

[mudshark]

There don't appear to be any new quotes from van Gaal in the piece in De Telegraaf; it just says he may risk missing out on the Spurs job if he hangs on to see whether Moyes gets the push in the summer. All in all, I'd predict a deafening silence next week.

 

[milo]

There don't appear to be any new quotes from van Gaal in the piece in De Telegraaf; it just says he may risk missing out on the Spurs job if he hangs on to see whether Moyes gets the push in the summer. All in all, I'd predict a deafening silence next week.

I doubt that he will be short on offers if he misses out on our job. I know that he says he wants to manage in the Premier League but I am sure that there will be a queue of Russians wanting to fill his bank account with Roubles if that doesn't happen.

 

[AuroRaman]

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