Next Spurs Manager v.2

[Gutter Boy]

So a bit like Fergie in his good years?

Yes. But Ferguson migrated slowly upstairs over the years.

Klinsmann would need to come in and straight away appoint a first team coach to work underneath him. The English media would be so hostile to the concept that it wouldn't stand a chance.

The job I really want Klinsmann to get is the Trevor Brooking/Greg Dyke one at the FA. He's the guy we need to get to drag the whole of English football into the 21st century, like he did with Germany a decade ago.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I disagree with you. The CL windfall was eaten up due to the fact that many of our players and management staff had clauses in their contracts that netted them large bonuses in the event of qualifying for the Champions League, something that isn't going to happen this year. If the TV contract is worth an extra £20 million per season then I can see at least half of that being used as a transfer budget. It's also worth noting that 'profit from normal operations excluding football trading and depreciation" for 1st July 2012 to 31st June 2013 was £23.4 million.

While we have indeed been frugal over the last 5 years or so, this has been during a period where we were buying land, drawing up plans and carrying out development for both the training ground and stadium site. The recent publication of the financial results indicate that having realised profits from divesting the phase 1 NDP development along with ancilary buildings to the West of the high road to ENIC we are now largely debt free, "negligible net debt" I think was the term used.

Levy has always stated that the new stadium project will be financed entirely separately from the football side of the operation and for once I actually believe him. If we cannot make the stadium pay for itself (as a minimum!) then there is absolutely no point at all in building it. We are at a stage now where we are apparently debt free and probably only require another £250 million to complete the stadium project. If I take a worst case scenario with low estimates on valuations and high estimates on borrowing costs then:

£100 million naming rights deal would leave £150 million to find.
£25 million income from selling the phase 3 site to a developer leaves £125 million to be borrowed.
Borrowing at a punitive rate of 7% would equate to £8.75M interest per annum.
The lower end estimates on the additional income our stadium would generate us each year is £25M.
That would mean completely paying the stadium off in around 5 to 10 years without impacting our existing football budget in any way.

Arsenal's stadium building significantly handicapped them financially for a good decade. ​

It didn't at all.... Take a look at Arsenal's wage bill since they left Highbury and you'll see that their new stadium had the complete opposite effect. Arsenal's huge amount of surplus cash in the bank also demonstrates this. They could've spent some or all of that cash in bank at any point over the last few years but had a board/manager that chose not to....

Perhaps they did this because they wanted to pay off the stadium completely instead of continuing to 'waste' money on interest on their loans? But to say that they hampered themselves financially isn't true at all. Do you think they would've been able to sustain a £150 million yearly wage bill while playing at Highbury?

The **** actually had to have a certain amount of cash in the bank to maintain their banking covenants on their loans (£100m iirc) and they haven't paid off the ground yet. What they do have now is cash in reserve that is greater than the debt so they can pay it off or liquidate the debt at any point IIRC

As you rightly say they have maintained a wage bill of circa £150m which is £50m more than ours as well as paying for the stadium. We are already £50m less in negative than they are now so there is a benefit there to be had in cash terms.

Tye ground will be self funding but don't forget out ticket prices will go up. Also we currently have corporate facilities not being used (tables/boxes) which hasn't been the case in some time. The club needs exciting football to get the sporadic corporate revenue back in... My brother in law was looking at a table until he heard me moan about how boring the football is (((

 

[Dicko]

Yes. But Ferguson migrated slowly upstairs over the years.

Klinsmann would need to come in and straight away appoint a first team coach to work underneath him. The English media would be so hostile to the concept that it wouldn't stand a chance.

The job I really want Klinsmann to get is the Trevor Brooking/Greg Dyke one at the FA. He's the guy we need to get to drag the whole of English football into the 21st century, like he did with Germany a decade ago.

How is he getting on with the US by the way? any signs of improvement in their overall structure etc.. I'm guessing it's a more difficult job than Germany.. although saying that they probably have huge participation numbers.

 

[Cochise]

I would think that Klinsmann would have had an easier time of it over in the U.S than in Germany because of their standing in the game when he came in. When he went into the German FA he likely had to struggle against other former pro's who had won things and had long successful careers in the game. In the U.S I would expect there to have been less of that.

Just guessing really

 

[AdamB]

If we are looking fo a new manager then I would want either Martinez or Ancelotti. I wanted Martinez when Harry was sacked and I have a lot of time for Ancelotti.

Van Gaal first choice, Ancelotti second if you ask me (and assuming CA gets fired by Real). Martinez also a good should however I could understand him feeling some debt to Everton for giving him the chance which others, including us, decided not to

Surprised also about all the stuff linking us to the Argie at Soton, Pochettino. Isnt he just this season's Laudrup? Lots of parallels - overseas manager takes over at unfashionable club, plays good football and leads them to some success (for them) in his first full season, even if that success if just a top half finish. And look what happened to Laudrup this season. Would prefer we go for a proven guy like LVG or CA

 

[Cochise]

http://talksport.com/football/dutch...louis-van-gaal-waiting-man-united-14041086922

Pretty much what we heard in many places, most people in the Dutch press think that nothing has been anounced because LVG is fishing for the Man UTD job and playing a waiting game. The reasoning behind it is that LVG thinks himself to be the greatest manager around and wants a club of similar stature. The interesting this is that van der Kraan reckons that LVG wants to tutor FDB for a couple of years in England before finishing his career, leaving behind another protege to carry on the job. He also says that this idea was offered to Tottenham by LVG.

Now either he really is waiting for the Man UTD job or we have been the ones slow to initialise talks (somone did mention that Levy was still thinking about keeping Sherwood full time last month). If the aforementionned offer has been on the table for any period of time, I cannot understand why this hasn't already been tied up, although I would assume it's because the club worried that Sherwood would kick up a fuss.

The only thing I can think of regarding Man UTD is that I do wonder whether or not LVG would be able to get along with Fergie. From all I hear LVG is a man who wants to leave behind a legacy, yet Fergie already has done that at Man UTD. Would there be a falling out between the two of them if LVG came in and tried to make big changes across the board? Then there is Moyes. Whilst the media want him out he has in recent weeks started to turn things around and he does have a point about the squad not being up to it. He will also require a decent severance package too although I doubt the UTD coffers would struggle to cover it.

 

[milo]

http://talksport.com/football/dutch...louis-van-gaal-waiting-man-united-14041086922

Pretty much what we heard in many places, most people in the Dutch press think that nothing has been anounced because LVG is fishing for the Man UTD job and playing a waiting game. The reasoning behind it is that LVG thinks himself to be the greatest manager around and wants a club of similar stature. The interesting this is that van der Kraan reckons that LVG wants to tutor FDB for a couple of years in England before finishing his career, leaving behind another protege to carry on the job. He also says that this idea was offered to Tottenham by LVG.

Now either he really is waiting for the Man UTD job or we have been the ones slow to initialise talks (somone did mention that Levy was still thinking about keeping Sherwood full time last month). If the aforementionned offer has been on the table for any period of time, I cannot understand why this hasn't already been tied up, although I would assume it's because the club worried that Sherwood would kick up a fuss.

The only thing I can think of regarding Man UTD is that I do wonder whether or not LVG would be able to get along with Fergie. From all I hear LVG is a man who wants to leave behind a legacy, yet Fergie already has done that at Man UTD. Would there be a falling out between the two of them if LVG came in and tried to make big changes across the board? Then there is Moyes. Whilst the media want him out he has in recent weeks started to turn things around and he does have a point about the squad not being up to it. He will also require a decent severance package too although I doubt the UTD coffers would struggle to cover it.

The Standard ran a story last month saying that we had not spoken to another manager since Sherwood was given his 18 month contract

 

[Raziel]

The Standard ran a story last month saying that we had not spoken to another manager since Sherwood was given his 18 month contract

We would be insane to not speak to someone else.

The Sherwood appointment seems to have happened mostly because we were caught with our pants down by AVB leaving, the club would be in purely amateur hour mode if we haven't spoken to multiple options both before and after appointing TS.

 

[milo]

We would be insane to not speak to someone else.

The Sherwood appointment seems to have happened mostly because we were caught with our pants down by AVB leaving, the club would be in purely amateur hour mode if we haven't spoken to multiple options both before and after appointing TS.

I agree and it could well be bull**** but from memory it seemed like a reasonably well sourced piece

 

[glorygloryeze]

http://talksport.com/football/dutch...louis-van-gaal-waiting-man-united-14041086922

Pretty much what we heard in many places, most people in the Dutch press think that nothing has been anounced because LVG is fishing for the Man UTD job and playing a waiting game. The reasoning behind it is that LVG thinks himself to be the greatest manager around and wants a club of similar stature. The interesting this is that van der Kraan reckons that LVG wants to tutor FDB for a couple of years in England before finishing his career, leaving behind another protege to carry on the job. He also says that this idea was offered to Tottenham by LVG.

Now either he really is waiting for the Man UTD job or we have been the ones slow to initialise talks (somone did mention that Levy was still thinking about keeping Sherwood full time last month). If the aforementionned offer has been on the table for any period of time, I cannot understand why this hasn't already been tied up, although I would assume it's because the club worried that Sherwood would kick up a fuss.

The only thing I can think of regarding Man UTD is that I do wonder whether or not LVG would be able to get along with Fergie. From all I hear LVG is a man who wants to leave behind a legacy, yet Fergie already has done that at Man UTD. Would there be a falling out between the two of them if LVG came in and tried to make big changes across the board? Then there is Moyes. Whilst the media want him out he has in recent weeks started to turn things around and he does have a point about the squad not being up to it. He will also require a decent severance package too although I doubt the UTD coffers would struggle to cover it.

Faaarrkkkk!! Anyone know how reliable Van Der Kraan is??

 

[chancer]

http://talksport.com/football/dutch...louis-van-gaal-waiting-man-united-14041086922

Some really, really interesting stuff in there.

1. Sounds like van Gaal REALLY wants to manage in England. That's great for us if his desire is so strong to prove himself one last time - he might really throw himself into it emotionally. I can well imagine him relishing taking on Mourinho, Pellegrini, Moyes and Co, even at 63.

2. But it also sounds like van Gaal isn't that keen on coaching any more, but rather wants to be a manager working with a coach, and the coach he wants is FdB. This is both exciting and worrying. Exciting, obviously, because LvG and FdB would be the most exciting management roster in world football.

But actually, it's worrying too. First, because FdB will NOT NOT NOT come to Spurs as a coach, and it'd be a bit weird if LvG thought he would. For GHod's sake, FdB is probably favourite to go to Barca in the summer as #1, so the idea he'd come to Spurs as #2 is just bonkers. I'd be a bit perturbed if LvG thought this was a runner.

Worrying, second, because isn't one of vG's big appeals the fact he's a coach? I'm sure his delegation would be excellent, but in all honesty I want the man himself on the training pitch if he's going to come. Is he tired of the training ground? Is that a bit worrying? Because I don't want LvG doing his work in backrooms/boardrooms, I want him on the training ground. I don't want him coming to Spurs and being political.

3. I don't give a toss that he wants the United job. I mean, of course he does! I don't blame him, and it shows ambition and hunger, so no problem. Besides, United are not going to ditch Moyes, so the question doesn't arise. Looks to me like LvG's only real criteria is a job in England, and he'll take the best job on offer, whoever it is. Which with 99% certainty will be Spurs, even if he thinks United might happen.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Some really, really interesting stuff in there.

1. Sounds like van Gaal REALLY wants to manage in England. That's great for us if his desire is so strong to prove himself one last time - he might really throw himself into it emotionally. I can well imagine him relishing taking on Mourinho, Pellegrini, Moyes and Co, even at 63.

2. But it also sounds like van Gaal isn't that keen on coaching any more, but rather wants to be a manager working with a coach, and the coach he wants is FdB. This is both exciting and worrying. Exciting, obviously, because LvG and FdB would be the most exciting management roster in world football.

But actually, it's worrying too. First, because FdB will NOT NOT NOT come to Spurs as a coach, and it'd be a bit weird if LvG thought he would. For GHod's sake, FdB is probably favourite to go to Barca in the summer as #1, so the idea he'd come to Spurs as #2 is just bonkers. I'd be a bit perturbed if LvG thought this was a runner.

Worrying, second, because isn't one of vG's big appeals the fact he's a coach? I'm sure his delegation would be excellent, but in all honesty I want the man himself on the training pitch if he's going to come. Is he tired of the training ground? Is that a bit worrying? Because I don't want LvG doing his work in backrooms/boardrooms, I want him on the training ground. I don't want him coming to Spurs and being political.

3. I don't give a toss that he wants the United job. I mean, of course he does! I don't blame him, and it shows ambition and hunger, so no problem. Besides, United are not going to ditch Moyes, so the question doesn't arise. Looks to me like LvG's only real criteria is a job in England, and he'll take the best job on offer, whoever it is. Which with 99% certainty will be Spurs, even if he thinks United might happen.

I wish I shared your confidence in terms of Man U not giving Moyes the tin tac.
Unfortunately the Marcel comments are now in the hands of twitter and other social media.
A lot of fans will share their desire to get hold of him, and then I can see the momentum of this pushing the Man U owners to ice Moyes and bring in LvG.
It's just so typical Spurs..

 

[Cochise]

Anyone else got a view on my thoughts about Fergie and LVG getting one?

 

[glorygloryeze]

Anyone else got a view on my thoughts about Fergie and LVG getting one?

Do you mean getting along?

If that's what you mean, then you have to wonder if they could get along at all?

Was it rumours that the Manure board were lining up LVG to take over at OT after his retirement in 2002 the reason he stayed on?

I was thinking it was because of Sven being lined up but didn't Sven have a long-ish contract with England at that time?

 

[spasm]

http://talksport.com/football/dutch...louis-van-gaal-waiting-man-united-14041086922

Pretty much what we heard in many places, most people in the Dutch press think that nothing has been anounced because LVG is fishing for the Man UTD job and playing a waiting game. The reasoning behind it is that LVG thinks himself to be the greatest manager around and wants a club of similar stature. The interesting this is that van der Kraan reckons that LVG wants to tutor FDB for a couple of years in England before finishing his career, leaving behind another protege to carry on the job. He also says that this idea was offered to Tottenham by LVG.

Now either he really is waiting for the Man UTD job or we have been the ones slow to initialise talks (somone did mention that Levy was still thinking about keeping Sherwood full time last month). If the aforementionned offer has been on the table for any period of time, I cannot understand why this hasn't already been tied up, although I would assume it's because the club worried that Sherwood would kick up a fuss.

The only thing I can think of regarding Man UTD is that I do wonder whether or not LVG would be able to get along with Fergie. From all I hear LVG is a man who wants to leave behind a legacy, yet Fergie already has done that at Man UTD. Would there be a falling out between the two of them if LVG came in and tried to make big changes across the board? Then there is Moyes. Whilst the media want him out he has in recent weeks started to turn things around and he does have a point about the squad not being up to it. He will also require a decent severance package too although I doubt the UTD coffers would struggle to cover it.

i live in fantasyland...and the only thing that stuck with me from that interview is that LVG would bring FDB with him to Spurs...[-o<=P~

 

[Superted]

What if we offered to have an Orange away kit next season. Would that get it over the line?

Didn't Rangers do something similar once upon a time when they had a Dutch boss (then got in a heap of trouble for it).

 

[Gutter Boy]

Some really, really interesting stuff in there.

1. Sounds like van Gaal REALLY wants to manage in England. That's great for us if his desire is so strong to prove himself one last time - he might really throw himself into it emotionally. I can well imagine him relishing taking on Mourinho, Pellegrini, Moyes and Co, even at 63.

2. But it also sounds like van Gaal isn't that keen on coaching any more, but rather wants to be a manager working with a coach, and the coach he wants is FdB. This is both exciting and worrying. Exciting, obviously, because LvG and FdB would be the most exciting management roster in world football.

But actually, it's worrying too. First, because FdB will NOT NOT NOT come to Spurs as a coach, and it'd be a bit weird if LvG thought he would. For GHod's sake, FdB is probably favourite to go to Barca in the summer as #1, so the idea he'd come to Spurs as #2 is just bonkers. I'd be a bit perturbed if LvG thought this was a runner.

Worrying, second, because isn't one of vG's big appeals the fact he's a coach? I'm sure his delegation would be excellent, but in all honesty I want the man himself on the training pitch if he's going to come. Is he tired of the training ground? Is that a bit worrying? Because I don't want LvG doing his work in backrooms/boardrooms, I want him on the training ground. I don't want him coming to Spurs and being political.

3. I don't give a toss that he wants the United job. I mean, of course he does! I don't blame him, and it shows ambition and hunger, so no problem. Besides, United are not going to ditch Moyes, so the question doesn't arise. Looks to me like LvG's only real criteria is a job in England, and he'll take the best job on offer, whoever it is. Which with 99% certainty will be Spurs, even if he thinks United might happen.

He tried that in his second spell at Ajax and absolutely hated it.

His main reason for leaving Holland now is because he says he is missing the day-to-day work on the training pitch.

 

[Baleforce]

Do you mean getting along?

If that's what you mean, then you have to wonder if they could get along at all?

Was it rumours that the Manure board were lining up LVG to take over at OT after his retirement in 2002 the reason he stayed on?

I was thinking it was because of Sven being lined up but didn't Sven have a long-ish contract with England at that time?

Sven claims he'd signed a contract with united to take over.

 

[indianspur]

The Standard ran a story last month saying that we had not spoken to another manager since Sherwood was given his 18 month contract

iirc some dutch journo had said that Levy has met with LVG on a couple of occasions this year already

 

[indianspur]

a good article on LVG .....i wonder if Gutter wrote it http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/04/11/4743455/-?