Next Spurs Manager v.2

[glorygloryeze]

Kluivert pi$$ed away what could arguably have been his prime. He'd done enough in his career to that point that he had nothing left to prove, but essentially giving up at 28 was sad to see.

Totally agree; it seems to happen quite often with players who are top class by the time they're 20.

It's what may put Messi above most world-class footballers alone - his dedication and continual motivation to reach for the top even though apart from a world cup he pretty much has achieved everything already

 

[glorygloryeze]

Also, in terms of if we were going to hire the best Engliush coach available, how about McClaran?

He's worked abroad and had success, won the title in Holland. It seems QPR's stuttuer may have coincided with when he left for Derby (rumours that some palyers have compalied the training/coaching isn't as detailed since he left).
He's had a very good run so far with Derby, playing some lovely football.

Worth a punt next season or in future?

 

[indianspur]

if we want a Brit as an assistant to LVG then we should offer the post to Eddie Howe....if there is anyone id want to learn off LVG with a view to be his successor its Howe

 

[Baleforce]

i'd be quite up for making McLaren manager actually, he gets stick because of his England tenure but look at the crap he had to work with, his CV is pretty good

 

[harr1984]

Also, in terms of if we were going to hire the best Engliush coach available, how about McClaran?

He's worked abroad and had success, won the title in Holland. It seems QPR's stuttuer may have coincided with when he left for Derby (rumours that some palyers have compalied the training/coaching isn't as detailed since he left).
He's had a very good run so far with Derby, playing some lovely football.

Worth a punt next season or in future?

The thing is he would probably end up doing a job here given time. But such is the attitude in this country by fans that this sort of appointment wouldn't be attractive enough and thats half the problem...

 

[Rorschach]

i'd be quite up for making McLaren manager actually, he gets stick because of his England tenure but look at the crap he had to work with, his CV is pretty good

He can talk Dutch too, I think. Or at least talk to our Dutch players, Vertonghen and Eriksen, in an accent they will understand. They will appreciate that.

 

[chancer]

If it was a choice between Steve McLaren and Tony Adams I'd have to think long and hard about it. Probably Adams.

 

[scaramanga]

i'd be quite up for making McLaren manager actually, he gets stick because of his England tenure but look at the crap he had to work with, his CV is pretty good

I'm not sure about his attitude.

I've seen a few interviews with him where his team wasn't a massive underdog (sometimes quite evenly matched) where he would say "If we can.... and if we..... there's no reason we can't get a point out of this - maybe even more." To me that sounds like a defeatist way of approaching matches.

 

[SUIYHA]

I've just got quite excited now about the thought of Edgar Davids returning as assistant manager.

Not sure I'd like that at all. He was one of my favourite players as a kid, and I was over the moon when he joined us. He was excellent on the pitch in the first half of the 05/06 season and winning mentality he brought to the dressing room was clear to see. But since then, he's proven to be an absolute nut-job.

There was the punch-up with Robbie Keane. Then a full-blown argument with Jol in which Jol ended by telling him he could leave the club. When he took over as player manager at Barnet, things went from bad to worse - they were relegated in his first season in charge, and in his second, he was sent off 3 times in 9 games (5 times in 38 games in total). Such a poor disciplinary record for someone who's not only the manager but also supposed to be an experienced head. One of them was for deliberately elbowing an opponent FFS!

He's insanely arrogant, so out of touch with the world and the ways things are. Remember his "Then I remembered that I'm ****ing Edgar Davids" interview? Or his "Hiddink needs to get his head out of the white players arses" comment? He started wearing the number 1 shirt at Barnet, saying he wanted to set a trend of midfielders wearing the number 1 shirt. Then he refused to travel to away games for Barnet where he'd have to stay overnight, sending his assistant instead!

Not the kind of character I'd like to see as a part of our management team.

 

[Raziel]

Unfortunately managing media is a big part of both the manager and the PR machine at Spurs, we talk like we are the big boys, but we aren't quite there.

Firing Sherwood to appoint a McLaren or someone similar would lead to another media circus and vultures just waiting for the first slip up.

The appointment of a LVG would have the media at least have to pretend to be more respectful, and also limit the amount of "does Spurs actually know what they are doing" type articles.

 

[Jordinho]

I'm not sure about his attitude.

I've seen a few interviews with him where his team wasn't a massive underdog (sometimes quite evenly matched) where he would say "If we can.... and if we..... there's no reason we can't get a point out of this - maybe even more." To me that sounds like a defeatist way of approaching matches.

Not necessarily. I would be doing the same. Massively inflated expectations tend to backfire at some point.

 

[Rorschach]

Not sure I'd like that at all. He was one of my favourite players as a kid, and I was over the moon when he joined us. He was excellent on the pitch in the first half of the 05/06 season and winning mentality he brought to the dressing room was clear to see. But since then, he's proven to be an absolute nut-job.

There was the punch-up with Robbie Keane. Then a full-blown argument with Jol in which Jol ended by telling him he could leave the club. When he took over as player manager at Barnet, things went from bad to worse - they were relegated in his first season in charge, and in his second, he was sent off 3 times in 9 games (5 times in 38 games in total). Such a poor disciplinary record for someone who's not only the manager but also supposed to be an experienced head. One of them was for deliberately elbowing an opponent FFS!

He's insanely arrogant, so out of touch with the world and the ways things are. Remember his "Then I remembered that I'm ****ing Edgar Davids" interview? Or his "Hiddink needs to get his head out of the white players arses" comment? He started wearing the number 1 shirt at Barnet, saying he wanted to set a trend of midfielders wearing the number 1 shirt. Then he refused to travel to away games for Barnet where he'd have to stay overnight, sending his assistant instead!

Not the kind of character I'd like to see as a part of our management team.

Ha. Sounds like Campbell syndrome.

 

[chancer]

I'm not sure about his attitude.

I've seen a few interviews with him where his team wasn't a massive underdog (sometimes quite evenly matched) where he would say "If we can.... and if we..... there's no reason we can't get a point out of this - maybe even more." To me that sounds like a defeatist way of approaching matches.

That's exactly it. The guy is swirling vortex of anti-inspiration. That droning voice and watery half-smile thing he has. He slowly saps players of the will to live, never mind the will to play.

As a member of coaching staff, maybe. As a #1, a complete non-runner.

 

[Modric THFC]

I've just got quite excited now about the thought of Edgar Davids returning as assistant manager.

I though van gaal had fallen out with anyone who ever played for him as a player by now.

 

[Kingdawson]

Martinez would have been the perfect man for the job. His philosophy, attitude, and the way he conducts transfer business is perfect to what Levy is looking for but a powerpoint presentation later and he gets blinded and gives the job to DVD. Big mistake.

Now? man that's a hard one. I genuinely don't have a preference (Guus hiddink would have been perfect). Rafa? i think he's a good manager tbh but working with Baldini? ummm dunno.

 

[Mumorn]

I reckon Baldini will be gone in the summer.

 

[spasm]

i believe in long term planning and backing the manager and giving him time.

i was bored and this was not a scientific study with strict guidelines. just spent about 15 minutes on wikipedia.

i did not include caretaker managers in the list and there were quite a number. but it is interesting to observe, that apart from the obvious Utd & ****, only Everton & West Brom have had few managerial changes since about the year 2000. List below shows us well within the norm/average given the high pressure situation in the EPL and our raised expectations.

Fulham 7
Sunderland 9
Cardiff 5
West Brom 4
Crystal Palace 9
Norwich 7
Hull City 7
Swansea City 9
Aston Villa 7
West Ham 7
Stoke City 6
Saudi Sportswashing Machine 9
Southampton 10
spurs 8
everton 3
Emirates Marketing Project 7
Liverpool 5

does this disprove the impression that unlike other clubs, we go through more than our fair share of managers??

 

[Jordinho]

How did you get that number for West Brom?

Going into 2000 they were managed by Brian Little. Since then Gary Megson, Bryan Robson, Tony Mowbray, Roberto Di Matteo, Roy Hodgson, Steve Clarke and now Pepe Mel have been in charge.

 

[Raziel]

i believe in long term planning and backing the manager and giving him time.

i was bored and this was not a scientific study with strict guidelines. just spent about 15 minutes on wikipedia.

i did not include caretaker managers in the list and there were quite a number. but it is interesting to observe, that apart from the obvious Utd & ****, only Everton & West Brom have had few managerial changes since about the year 2000. List below shows us well within the norm/average given the high pressure situation in the EPL and our raised expectations.
does this disprove the impression that unlike other clubs, we go through more than our fair share of managers??

The modern game does not work around long term managerial appointments

My problem at Spurs is not going through a manager every 2-4 years, I can live with that.

It's where is the system (ala an Ajax) that makes that less painful, less expensive (player turnover) and allows for a consistent approach (not motivator -> tactician -> back again, not attacking football -> grind -> back again)?

 

[Kingdawson]

I reckon Baldini will be gone in the summer.

An epic failure and i hope he does go tbh.