Superhudd
Simon Davies
Throughout all the upcoming coaches in Europe he is the one that has impressed me the most.
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Next Spurs Manager v.2
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Throughout all the upcoming coaches in Europe he is the one that has impressed me the most.
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Tom Huddlestone
I like Pochettino and the way Southampton play.
However, I worry avout his appointment for the following:
- he'd get royally hounded by the red tops for taking one of 'their boys' jobs and, unlike someone like LVG, cannot hold his balls and say "STFU, check my medal cabinet"
- His football by what I've read/heard seems to be based on lots of pressing and commitment 100% all of the time; I fear we'd burn out physically and mentally if not near the end of each season, definitely in the 2nd or 3rd seasons; one of the reasons I think Bielsa will ultimately fail here also
- If we don't win a trophy early on in his tenure I think commitment to the cause will fizzle out because of the above (again like Bielsa)
However, I worry avout his appointment for the following:
- he'd get royally hounded by the red tops for taking one of 'their boys' jobs and, unlike someone like LVG, cannot hold his balls and say "STFU, check my medal cabinet"
- His football by what I've read/heard seems to be based on lots of pressing and commitment 100% all of the time; I fear we'd burn out physically and mentally if not near the end of each season, definitely in the 2nd or 3rd seasons; one of the reasons I think Bielsa will ultimately fail here also
- If we don't win a trophy early on in his tenure I think commitment to the cause will fizzle out because of the above (again like Bielsa)
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Thanks for these...any idea on how reliable Greg Stobart is? Has he got similar pronouncements wrong??[-o<
Not quite as deep as the other 2 I mentioned though? :ross:
I used Sandro as an example but I dont think that Paulinho, Holtby or Capoue would be suited greatly to that style either. I'm not adverse to it at all, I think he could do well here but if he is appointed then people need to be realistic in that it might have to involve transfer upheaval to get players in that are a bit more suited to what he wants and that it will take time to get the style similar to what we see from Southampton.
Can't comment on Wanyama tbh, haven't noticed him much at all which probably reinforces your point.
Superhudd
Simon Davies
Me too.. :evil:
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
i dont understand.
if mancini was the only one available NOW , would you go for him?
Cochise
Steve Carr
So far as Pochettino's side goes I think we have similar personel who could do the same jobs with the exception of the double pivot in front of the back four. We don't have a player that can do what Shneiderlin does but there are other comparisons.
Holtby for Davis
Eriksen for Lallana
Ade for Lambert
Rodriguez is the player that we don't have a replacement for. The guy scores and creates goals and is a natural athlete and I can't think of anyone in our ranks who we can draw a comparison with. I haven't seen enough of Lamela to know whether or not he could do a similar job, but the goals are what we would require.
Once again it seems that the centre of the park is where we would need the work. Should Pochettino be our manager next season I would be happy and I'd not be bothered about poor results in the first half of the season, really we won't see things clicking properly until the 2014/15 season, although that would be expected of most managers.
PS: Being a compatriot of Lamela's could make the world of difference to the lad.
Holtby for Davis
Eriksen for Lallana
Ade for Lambert
Rodriguez is the player that we don't have a replacement for. The guy scores and creates goals and is a natural athlete and I can't think of anyone in our ranks who we can draw a comparison with. I haven't seen enough of Lamela to know whether or not he could do a similar job, but the goals are what we would require.
Once again it seems that the centre of the park is where we would need the work. Should Pochettino be our manager next season I would be happy and I'd not be bothered about poor results in the first half of the season, really we won't see things clicking properly until the 2014/15 season, although that would be expected of most managers.
PS: Being a compatriot of Lamela's could make the world of difference to the lad.
You heard it here first. LVG is not coming
Levys gut is to go for a young upstart for a "project", a notion which he has always romanticised with but after AVB he will opt for a manager with a CV.
Once LVG signs for utd Levy ( who deep down wants FDB ) will go all out for Benitez.
FDB is going to Barca
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Tom Huddlestone
I have to admit that the more I think about it, I thi8nk the fact that LVG has seemingly decided to go to Manure instead of us, I think we are potentially f-ed for next season as well
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Tom Huddlestone
This all sounds very interesting, but what's your source??
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
I wouldn't mind the fella at Fullham. Voted FDB. Simply as I don't like Benitz. Its irrational. Sure Benitz would make us hard to beat, something I've been calling for. But I just don't like the guy. I would put it to one side and he would probably do a good job with us never the less.
So we'll be hoping we can win both our games, and United win their last three with style and great panache! In which case we might land LVG as Giggs steals united hearts and the job from under the Dutchman's nose. Sadly I think it is unlikely, because lots of money is at stake. United is a publicly listed company. After brining in a less high calibre manager once and being burnt, the united board will put the fate of many millions of dollars in the hands of a tried and trusted leader - LVG.
So we'll be hoping we can win both our games, and United win their last three with style and great panache! In which case we might land LVG as Giggs steals united hearts and the job from under the Dutchman's nose. Sadly I think it is unlikely, because lots of money is at stake. United is a publicly listed company. After brining in a less high calibre manager once and being burnt, the united board will put the fate of many millions of dollars in the hands of a tried and trusted leader - LVG.
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SpurMeUp
Les Howe
There is one massive advantage of not getting LVG. We've had a season with no set first 11. Sherwood has eventually had to stick to the same team for a few games in a row. But how will LVG come in straight from the world cup, fresh ready to settle on his first team? I think its a big ask.
How the existing/ new manager reshuffles our many midfielders and figures out what to do with Lennon's position, will be key next season. Ideally the manager gets it sorted pre season, rather than chops and changes as we go - as has been the case this year.
How the existing/ new manager reshuffles our many midfielders and figures out what to do with Lennon's position, will be key next season. Ideally the manager gets it sorted pre season, rather than chops and changes as we go - as has been the case this year.
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Gudni Bergsson
Pochettino is the only name on the contenders list who is gettable and acceptable. I would be happy with the appointment.
But my GHod, it's just so, so unnecessary and such, such a big risk.
Anyone worried about 2nd season syndrome with him? We've seen it over and over again with teams, players and managers like this. Great one season, bomb the next. I find it weird that people big up the fact he's "experienced", and yet here we are on the cusp of appointing him and I'll bet none of you can put your hand on your heart and say you're sure that experience is in any way transferable to Spurs. The fact is we really, really don't know - he's had 1 full season in the PL.
Anyone worried that getting Southampton to 8th is good, but not quite as good as the stellar reviews suggest? He's 6 points above Saudi Sportswashing Machine and 9 above Palace, both of whom have played a game less; by the weekend Saudi Sportswashing Machine could be within 3 points and Palace 6 points. I also suspect he's spent considerably more money than Pardew or Pulis/Holloway. Both Palace and Saudi Sportswashing Machine have been toilet this season. Fwiw Southampton are 14 points behind Spurs.
Spurs GD: +3. SCBC GD: +7. They've scored exactly the same number of goals as us, and have shipped 4 fewer...so that's the difference of 1 game. They've basically been leaking goals as catastrophically as we have. Anyone who's been bleating on about our defence this season and is looking at Poch to fix the problem might be disappointed. Scoring was a huge problem for us half the season, but we've exactly matched SCBC, who have a plethora of in-form strikers and scorers from midfield.
In their last 10 games they've:
- Lost 0-1 to Cardiff, 4-1 to City, 3-0 to Liverpool, 3-1 to West Ham and 3-2 to Spurs....That's 13 goals shipped.
- They've beaten Palace, Norwich, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Everton (with 2 ogs).
- They drew 0-0 with Villa
This is the immediate context of the Pochettino bandwagon. Phew.
I've seen people say he promotes youth. Meh, that is as much by necessity and the good fortune of Southampton's amazing youth structure as anything. He won't have that at Spurs (and if he does, it'll be with Sherwood's lads). We don't know Poch's youth strategy.
Transfers. Last summer he spent £40m on Osvaldo, Wanyamma and Lovren. Two good ones, one howler, £40m. Anyone can make misjudgements in the transfer market, but let's not pretend this is some kind of Dario Gradi situation. That's proper wedge.
I like him because he's young, he kinda feels Spurs, and Southampton have been good. I have a feeling he's the real deal, but it is only a vague notion. It's a complete punt. I simply do not see the clear margin over Sherwood. A slight margin? Maybe. Perhaps even quite a big margin. But when you net out the risks to the downside, the margin diminishes to the point of not being worth speaking about.
But my GHod, it's just so, so unnecessary and such, such a big risk.
Anyone worried about 2nd season syndrome with him? We've seen it over and over again with teams, players and managers like this. Great one season, bomb the next. I find it weird that people big up the fact he's "experienced", and yet here we are on the cusp of appointing him and I'll bet none of you can put your hand on your heart and say you're sure that experience is in any way transferable to Spurs. The fact is we really, really don't know - he's had 1 full season in the PL.
Anyone worried that getting Southampton to 8th is good, but not quite as good as the stellar reviews suggest? He's 6 points above Saudi Sportswashing Machine and 9 above Palace, both of whom have played a game less; by the weekend Saudi Sportswashing Machine could be within 3 points and Palace 6 points. I also suspect he's spent considerably more money than Pardew or Pulis/Holloway. Both Palace and Saudi Sportswashing Machine have been toilet this season. Fwiw Southampton are 14 points behind Spurs.
Spurs GD: +3. SCBC GD: +7. They've scored exactly the same number of goals as us, and have shipped 4 fewer...so that's the difference of 1 game. They've basically been leaking goals as catastrophically as we have. Anyone who's been bleating on about our defence this season and is looking at Poch to fix the problem might be disappointed. Scoring was a huge problem for us half the season, but we've exactly matched SCBC, who have a plethora of in-form strikers and scorers from midfield.
In their last 10 games they've:
- Lost 0-1 to Cardiff, 4-1 to City, 3-0 to Liverpool, 3-1 to West Ham and 3-2 to Spurs....That's 13 goals shipped.
- They've beaten Palace, Norwich, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Everton (with 2 ogs).
- They drew 0-0 with Villa
This is the immediate context of the Pochettino bandwagon. Phew.
I've seen people say he promotes youth. Meh, that is as much by necessity and the good fortune of Southampton's amazing youth structure as anything. He won't have that at Spurs (and if he does, it'll be with Sherwood's lads). We don't know Poch's youth strategy.
Transfers. Last summer he spent £40m on Osvaldo, Wanyamma and Lovren. Two good ones, one howler, £40m. Anyone can make misjudgements in the transfer market, but let's not pretend this is some kind of Dario Gradi situation. That's proper wedge.
I like him because he's young, he kinda feels Spurs, and Southampton have been good. I have a feeling he's the real deal, but it is only a vague notion. It's a complete punt. I simply do not see the clear margin over Sherwood. A slight margin? Maybe. Perhaps even quite a big margin. But when you net out the risks to the downside, the margin diminishes to the point of not being worth speaking about.
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Jonathan Woodgate
Nah sorry mate, that's old news.
When you look at how much he has spent and the Southampton youth set up producing the players it has, you can argue he has underachieved. Certainly more than Sherwood has results wise.
Absolutely. It's like being offered decapitation or castration - neither are appealing but one is slightly less unappealing than the other.
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Gudni Bergsson
That's old news mate
sauce?
Don't buy this at all. Poch inherited most of the players he is using at Southampton and IMO TURNED THEM INTO players who look extremely comfortable on the ball. My point I made the other day is that I don't really think those players are as good as they are being made to look in that system with his coaching:
Lambert - looks an oustanding, technical centre-forward. He will be on the plane to Brazil this summer - but he's 32 - where has he been hiding all these years when he's been hanging around the lower divisions etc?
Rodriguez - Again, looks absolutely outstanding as a wide-forward, technical and productive, and if it wasn't for his injury he'd also be on the plane - but again I don't see him being this natual high class technical player. He wasn't even regarded as a top international prospect before he went to Southampton, just someone who had an eye for goal in the lower leagues.
Lallana - I think he's quality, but he's been given the freedom to express himself and the movement in front and around him makes him look a better player, as he can get the ball in space and play people in
That's just the front three.
Sandro can play quick one-touch football. I've seen him do it in Redknapp's team and also for Brazil in the Olympics in 2012. Dembele holds onto the ball, but often its because of static movement infront of him. All our players are top-class internationals and all have the ability and technique to play football in the right system, with the right coaching.
Look at Lennon. Under Harry he was one of the most feared wingers in the country. Now he doesn't look like he knows what to do. It's all about the use of the players. He was playing quick one-twos and using his pace to get round the full-back under Redknapp.
I'd love to see our squad in the kind of system that Poch would set up. He wouldn't even need that many new players to get us playing much better, as our squad is very similar player-type and role-type to Southampton's:
4-3-3:
.....Rodriguez/Lamela.........Lambert/Adebayor............Lallana/Eriksen
.......Cork/Dembele...........Schneiderlin/Holtby............Davis/Paulinho
Shaw/Rose.......Lovren/Vertonghen......Fonte/Dawson.............Clyne/Walker
........................................Boruc/Lloris