Next Spurs Manager v.2

[indianspur]

I don't really buy stories like this. It's essentially saying Spurs directors would reject van Gaal because he's insulted their egos. Meh. Not really the way things work. It's not really conceivable that they'd turn him down if his agent called.

I'm also a bit concerned about the emerging Pochettino bandwagon. I have a hell of a lot of time for him - as I think most of us do - but it just feels a bit flavour-of-the-month combined with "nobody else available". Just because Pochettino may be the best candidate available does not mean he's the right candidate. The spectre of the AVB nightmare also lurks.

isnt it how things work??? Apparently some bigwigs at Spurs expected us to challenge for the title this season:lol: How do you know that people at Spurs dont think that the Spurs squad has more future potential than Utds, and thus think why would LVG be more interested in them?? They really might feel insulted that LVG would rather take over at Utd Also we have been interested in and talking to him since Dec about the Spurs job. All those talks go down the pan just because there is a vacancy at Utd??? Plus its the waiting. If its true Utd are waiting to see what happens with Ancelloti, that means potentially we have to wait until after the CL final in late may to discover if Real sack him and if he then ends up at Utd. If, If If..........Also the feeling might be that LVG simply isnt keen enough to take over at Spurs and if Utd reject him he will then just wait to see what happens with Wenger at **** and possibly Pellegrini at City. Yes, I think the egos of the Spurs executives would find it hard to wait and wait in such circustances

 

[NWND]

isnt it how things work??? Apparently some bigwigs at Spurs expected us to challenge for the title this season:lol: How do you know that people at Spurs dont think that the Spurs squad has more future potential than Utds, and thus think why would LVG be more interested in them?? They really might feel insulted that LVG would rather take over at Utd Also we have been interested in and talking to him since Dec about the Spurs job. All those talks go down the pan just because there is a vacancy at Utd??? Plus its the waiting. If its true Utd are waiting to see what happens with Ancelloti, that means potentially we have to wait until after the CL final in late may to discover if Real sack him and if he then ends up at Utd. If, If If..........Also the feeling might be that LVG simply isnt keen enough to take over at Spurs and if Utd reject him he will then just wait to see what happens with Wenger at **** and possibly Pellegrini at City. Yes, I think the egos of the Spurs executives would find it hard to wait and wait in such circustances

Plus its actually sensible NOT to wait. We've had quite a few seasons where the fact that the manager has not had a proper pre-season with a settled squad and early acquisitions played havoc with our plans.

Ideally, we'd have a new manager in place prior to the world cup so we can agree on targets and move early in the market.

We were clearly planning to get most of our business done early last summer, before Bale wrecked everything by demanding to move.

If LVG is dragging his feet then we have to move on quickly.

 

[NWND]

Plus, if all the ITK (and Ruud Gullit) are to be believed, LVG appears to have agreed to join us, if he is now going back on some kind of gentleman's agreement, then we all know how Levy reacts to stuff like that.

Levy was prepared to fire our most successful PL era manager (Redknapp) on basically what boils down to points of principle. You think he'd think twice about breaking off talks with LVG if he got offended?

Ultimately, from the last few appointments, what seems to matter most to Levy is the club brand (hence why Sherwood will not be given the job because of his gobbing off to the media) and HIS personal working relationship with managers, which basically boils down to managers acting like Levy wants them to act.

 

[superfaisty]

As we all know 'gentleman's agreement' aren't worth the paper they were written on, not if the right offer comes your way.

Thing is it is a tricky situation - Spurs have arguably less to do in turning around the current squad than turning around United's squad, but on the flip side United may be able to attract a better quality of player due to hving less wage restrictions (and arguably they have some worldie players already (Rooney, RVP, Mata) that would make United more attractive.

Plus it's your last season as a manager what would you rather prefer - returning a grand old lady to the top table (ie United) after a horrible season or drag us to the top table. Getting us to the top table is probably more of a challenge, but returning Manure to its former glories would probably be remembered ore perhaps?

if I'm LVG I know which I would choose, and to be fair its the choice most of us would mke if we are being perfectly honest. of course the real choise each of us would make is the FM choice 'Spurs sign relatively unknown manager 'Superfaisty' - i'm pretty sure I could do just as good a job as badge less TS (yes I know I am dreaming lol)

 

[Gutter Boy]

His family live not far from me actually. Daughters are meant to have posh scouse accents.

I'm not sure about the DOF though. Didn't he fall out with someone at Liverpool because they forced the Keane signing on him?

Benitez's downfall has traditionally been his transfer activity. Working underneath a specialist will hopefully mitigate against his biggest weakness.

At Liverpool it was Rick Parry who the argument over Keane was with. Parry was a one of the old non-footballing DoFs (like David Dein), rather than a footballing one like Baldini, Txiki Begiristain or Michael Emenalo, which was perhaps part of the problem.

Plus, if all the ITK (and Ruud Gullit) are to be believed, LVG appears to have agreed to join us, if he is now going back on some kind of gentleman's agreement, then we all know how Levy reacts to stuff like that.

Levy was prepared to fire our most successful PL era manager (Redknapp) on basically what boils down to points of principle. You think he'd think twice about breaking off talks with LVG if he got offended?

Ultimately, from the last few appointments, what seems to matter most to Levy is the club brand (hence why Sherwood will not be given the job because of his gobbing off to the media) and HIS personal working relationship with managers, which basically boils down to managers acting like Levy wants them to act.

The thing you can be sure of with LVG, is that he'll play things straight. He's too assured to play games.

If he made a gentleman's agreement, I expect he'll honour it. If it was conditional on other factors then he would have been clear about them upfront and he is probably in open dialogue about the unfolding situation.

 

[scaramanga]

What does that sound like?

Like a Southern, regionless accent.

 

[NWND]

As we all know 'gentleman's agreement' aren't worth the paper they were written on, not if the right offer comes your way.

Thing is it is a tricky situation - Spurs have arguably less to do in turning around the current squad than turning around United's squad, but on the flip side United may be able to attract a better quality of player due to hving less wage restrictions (and arguably they have some worldie players already (Rooney, RVP, Mata) that would make United more attractive.

Plus it's your last season as a manager what would you rather prefer - returning a grand old lady to the top table (ie United) after a horrible season or drag us to the top table. Getting us to the top table is probably more of a challenge, but returning Manure to its former glories would probably be remembered ore perhaps?

if I'm LVG I know which I would choose, and to be fair its the choice most of us would mke if we are being perfectly honest. of course the real choise each of us would make is the FM choice 'Spurs sign relatively unknown manager 'Superfaisty' - i'm pretty sure I could do just as good a job as badge less TS (yes I know I am dreaming lol)

I'm not saying LVG is wrong, or is doing something everyone wouldn't have done, i'm saying Spurs are right in the circumstances to move on pretty quickly and not wait around for him to decide at his leisure at some undefined place in the future.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

The changes of Benetiz leaving Napoli to join us are so small its laughable. They're 3rd in Serie A, will be back in the CL, he's living in a place which is more culturally similar to his origins....and he'd swap that to join a club in England which will at best be in teh EL? Will never happen. Why not go after Klopp whilst we're at it? Or Guardiola?

Naples is a dump anyone where ever they are from would prefer London. But the key point is like Mourinho if the guys loves English football he will want to come back. Sometimes your heat desires something even if it is not logical, the stories saying he wants to come back to England if true would mean we would have a good chance of getting him.

My choice would be LVG but if we can not get him then Benetiz then FDB.

 

[metalgear]

As we all know 'gentleman's agreement' aren't worth the paper they were written on, not if the right offer comes your way.

Thing is it is a tricky situation - Spurs have arguably less to do in turning around the current squad than turning around United's squad, but on the flip side United may be able to attract a better quality of player due to hving less wage restrictions (and arguably they have some worldie players already (Rooney, RVP, Mata) that would make United more attractive.

Plus it's your last season as a manager what would you rather prefer - returning a grand old lady to the top table (ie United) after a horrible season or drag us to the top table. Getting us to the top table is probably more of a challenge, but returning Manure to its former glories would probably be remembered ore perhaps?

if I'm LVG I know which I would choose, and to be fair its the choice most of us would mke if we are being perfectly honest. of course the real choise each of us would make is the FM choice 'Spurs sign relatively unknown manager 'Superfaisty' - i'm pretty sure I could do just as good a job as badge less TS (yes I know I am dreaming lol)

just shows how little bargaining power we have. we offer a coach a job. he has the luxury of biding his time.

 

[Gutter Boy]

just shows how little bargaining power we have. we offer a coach a job. he has the luxury of biding his time.

It's not a luxury. It's his existing contract of employment that he's honouring.

Imagine if Redknapp had had that focus/dedication two years ago - he might be going to the world cup now instead of trying to scrape into the championship play-offs.

 

[Lemonade Money]

What does that sound like?

"They do do that though, don't they though"

 

[Chachaboom]

Think all this LVG, Ancelotti and Benitez stuff is not much more than wishful thinking. Come on boys don't do it to yourselves. When have we ever attracted managers of that calibre really.

We all know what's going to happen, it's going to be Moyes, Timmeh or another Levy master stroke AVB/Ramos/Santini style car crash.

The only major title winning manager we ever had was Graham.

 

[Jordinho]

I'd like Benitez because it would make the bindippers sad.

It would be beautiful.

 

[harr1984]

Think all this LVG, Ancelotti and Benitez stuff is not much more than wishful thinking. Come on boys don't do it to yourselves. When have we ever attracted managers of that calibre really.

We all know what's going to happen, it's going to be Moyes, Timmeh or another Levy master stroke AVB/Ramos/Santini style car crash.

The only major title winning manager we ever had was Graham.

Exactly, same story as it is with the players. Get linked to some world class players, who have we ever signed who at the time was world class? Will only ever get personnel who are up and coming, or past their peak....

 

[metalgear]

It's not a luxury. It's his existing contract of employment that he's honouring.

Imagine if Redknapp had had that focus/dedication two years ago - he might be going to the world cup now instead of trying to scrape into the championship play-offs.

but his current contract ends with the completion of the world cup final in a few months time. surely a pre-contract could be signed now to start work after his current one expires?

 

[braineclipse]

Plus, if all the ITK (and Ruud Gullit) are to be believed, LVG appears to have agreed to join us, if he is now going back on some kind of gentleman's agreement, then we all know how Levy reacts to stuff like that.

Levy was prepared to fire our most successful PL era manager (Redknapp) on basically what boils down to points of principle. You think he'd think twice about breaking off talks with LVG if he got offended?

Ultimately, from the last few appointments, what seems to matter most to Levy is the club brand (hence why Sherwood will not be given the job because of his gobbing off to the media) and HIS personal working relationship with managers, which basically boils down to managers acting like Levy wants them to act.

How exactly is it Levy reacts to people going back on gentleman's agreements?

Disagree about that description of why Redknapp was sacked by the way.

I'm not saying LVG is wrong, or is doing something everyone wouldn't have done, i'm saying Spurs are right in the circumstances to move on pretty quickly and not wait around for him to decide at his leisure at some undefined place in the future.

Any reason to think this is what's going on?

 

[braineclipse]

but his current contract ends with the completion of the world cup final in a few months time. surely a pre-contract could be signed now to start work after his current one expires?

Could be signed if that's what both parties wants.

Seems somewhat likely that LvG would prefer the United job so he prefers to wait on their decision... Hardly that strange.

 

[AdamB]

Think all this LVG, Ancelotti and Benitez stuff is not much more than wishful thinking. Come on boys don't do it to yourselves. When have we ever attracted managers of that calibre really.

We all know what's going to happen, it's going to be Moyes, Timmeh or another Levy master stroke AVB/Ramos/Santini style car crash.

The only major title winning manager we ever had was Graham.

Benitez is wishing thinking because he's at a CL club

Ancelotti is out of the question unless he gets sacked, and even then he'd be on the top of the list of any CL club looking for a manager so much less likely to join us

Similar to Ancelotti, LVG would be on the top of the list of any CL club looking for a manager HOWEVER this is probably his last club move and he's said he wants to manage in England. SO with him it comes down to wheher Man U want him or whether any bigger English jobs come up

 

[DTA]

Could be signed if that's what both parties wants.

Seems somewhat likely that LvG would prefer the United job so he prefers to wait on their decision... Hardly that strange.

Except from what I have read, he seems to have a big ego , so if utd want him he better be their first choice and approach him as such. if they want to test the waters with CA or Klopp etc cant see him being overly impressed with that.... likewise however, if Levy hesitated at any point in his commitment to LVG then i can see him not being to keen to come to us either.

 

[Superhudd]

Hasn't stopped Hiddink signing a contract for van Gaal's job.