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Next Manager?

DeanoAustin said:
Not only would does this mean Kane will leave, it completely validates his reasons for leaving. The way this has played out, it looks like we didn't really have the conviction to get Poch and we didn't want to give Conte the tools to compete. Kane rightly wants to win trophies. He's absolutely right to want to go and if I'm Sonny and some of the other talented lads in the squad, I'd be having the same thoughts.

This damages Levy hugely unless he can pull a rabbit from the hat. When Jol was made manager, it was almost out of necessity (or Arnesens design) when Santini left us high and dry. Levy brought in a big name manager and and got fudged by him to an extent. Jol was the obvious choice and he worked out well in every respect (we improved, the football was good, he got us and we loved him for it).

Harry was an emergency measure that worked out very well. We'd have taken anyone decent at that stage given where Ramos had us. I didn't want Redknapp at all but was relieved that Saturday night when I saw him announced on Sky.

After AVB and Tactics Tim, I'd have taken anyone half decent. I wasn't really in favour of Poch but was willing to give him a go. We were only really linked with LvG who binned us off for Man U who, you have to admit, are a bigger club.

This is a bit different. Levys made some big statements, his reputation has taken a hit with the Jose appointment and ESL and now the whole recruitment process stinks of talking about big ideas and completely failing to back them up. All the things that Levys detractors have accused him of over the years - he cares far more about the financial statements than success.

I've defended Levy to the absolute last on here. Think what he's done has been brilliant for this club. If he lands a Graham Potter or Roberto Martinez now, it could turn toxic and, personally, my view on his ability to lead this football club would change.
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I agree with all of that - yet, I'd take Potter in a heartbeat. I think he'd do well. But Levy will know that the fans won't accept him, so he has to look elsewhere. But who's left now? Ten Haag can't be too keen on this mess. Maybe another go with Poch could be good. I think Levy needs to try that, to salvage some good vibes from this ridiculous mess that we've come to expect from our football club.

With Spurs it's always best to assume that a brick show is going to happen, and just get positively surprised if it doesn't. It doesn't really bother me emotionally these days, thank fudge, but to anyone who finds this all a bit hard to handle - delete your social media stuff and just log off for a while. Better days to come.
 
Daisuk said:
I agree with all of that - yet, I'd take Potter in a heartbeat. I think he'd do well. But Levy will know that the fans won't accept him, so he has to look elsewhere. But who's left now? Ten Haag can't be too keen on this mess. Maybe another go with Poch could be good. I think Levy needs to try that, to salvage some good vibes from Derp
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I actually like Potter. Have really enjoyed watching his team this year. He'll just be massively underwhelming after this and the way this has played out will raise two massive questions in my mind.

1. If we wanted a Potter type manager, why didn't we go for him or someone similar straight away. He's very different to Poch (or where Poch is now) and a million miles away from Conte.

2. If he accepted the role, I'd seriously question him. He's obviously just the bargain bin 4th/5th/6th choice. For his own self respect he shouldn't take it if offered.

He'd also be coming into a squad with problems, without its best player if Kane goes so if he lost a few early games, it'd turn pretty toxic quickly. I could see it turning out like Hodgson at Liverpool for a lot of the same reasons. The manager would suffer because of fan frustration with the owners.
 
People keep on saying it's about season tickets, i doubt it. How many extra would we sell on just the rumour that conte would join? Maybe a few thousand at most? Not that huge a difference to our budget.

But it might convince some americans to loan us £250 million. Which made a hell of a difference.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I actually like Potter. Have really enjoyed watching his team this year. He'll just be massively underwhelming after this and the way this has played out will raise two massive questions in my mind.

1. If we wanted a Potter type manager, why didn't we go for him or someone similar straight away. He's very different to Poch (or where Poch is now) and a million miles away from Conte.

2. If he accepted the role, I'd seriously question him. He's obviously just the bargain bin 4th/5th/6th choice. For his own self respect he shouldn't take it if offered.

He'd also be coming into a squad with problems, without its best player if Kane goes so if he lost a few early games, it'd turn pretty toxic quickly. I could see it turning out like Hodgson at Liverpool for a lot of the same reasons. The manager would suffer because of fan frustration with the owners.
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Poch wasn’t first choice for us
He didn’t do bad
He also came form a lesser club but convinced players to believe in his methods
It’s pretty much what Potter would have to do here (assuming the DOF agents rid of the dross)
 
DeanoAustin said:
I actually like Potter. Have really enjoyed watching his team this year. He'll just be massively underwhelming after this and the way this has played out will raise two massive questions in my mind.

1. If we wanted a Potter type manager, why didn't we go for him or someone similar straight away. He's very different to Poch (or where Poch is now) and a million miles away from Conte.

2. If he accepted the role, I'd seriously question him. He's obviously just the bargain bin 4th/5th/6th choice. For his own self respect he shouldn't take it if offered.

He'd also be coming into a squad with problems, without its best player if Kane goes so if he lost a few early games, it'd turn pretty toxic quickly. I could see it turning out like Hodgson at Liverpool for a lot of the same reasons. The manager would suffer because of fan frustration with the owners.
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Think I would be questioning anyone coming in now.

How long ago did we get rid of Jose?

how far down the list are we now? What has the new manager accepted will happen that put off others?
 
harr1984 said:
Really think a big a deal is made out of this than it needs to be thanks to the media (fair enough it’s their job). All we know is that Levy has been talking to managers. The media picks up on Levy asking the question about Poch and the media dragged it out for days, hyping it up and then eventually realise it wasn’t going to happen. Levy would have known well before that it wasn’t going to. Same with Conte, Levy learns of his availability and has talks - the media catch wind and drag the story on for days and then catch wind its unlikely to happen. Again Levy would likely of known this well before, all he’s done is speak to the guy and see if Conte would be a decent fit - even if he’s likely to not be, where’s the harm in that? He’s a top coach and I’d be annoyed if he didn’t ask the question.
I get people want a coach in ASAP but I’m happy that Levy isn’t rushing as many have already said this appointment is a critical one and it’s also good he appears to be bringing in a DOF.

It seems people are criticising Levy’s process based on what is being reported in the media, when throughout this whole debacle it’s pretty obvious that none of them really have that much of a clue.....
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This post will makes too much sense for some. Most folks will have enough sense to accept that the ( sports) media today will big up any news but fail to see it.
 
RigorMortis said:
Why even bother going for Conte, you know what type of manager he is….the whole thing is an utter shambles and I really can’t see anyway out of it
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Let me make an analogy. I recently bought a new home. It was a home I never would have considered buying, because it was out out my price range and wasn't even available to begin with. My current home is ok, I know what I'm paying and can afford it, and would be losing some space in the new one. Then one day my broker calls me and tells me it's available. So at the urging of my wife I take a look at it. Still not convinced, but talk to the sellers and manage to knock a few quid off the price, which I didn't expect that would do. I get some more information and I run the financials. Turns out I can get a much better interest rate than I had anticipated and, as a result, can actually make it work. A slightly higher interest rate and price and the deal would have been off. So I end up going for it.

The only difference between my home buying experience and the Levy-Conte negotiations is that Levy couldn't knock a few quid off the price and didn't get that "good interest rate." Something better was available and he took a look at it and did the negotiations. It just didn't work out.

He tried and failed. Nothing wrong with that. Much better than not trying at all.
 
I suppose one positive from this is the managers we have approached have at least had the integrity to turn down c£30-£45m contracts as they feel they can’t operate to their best if their ability with regard to the employers expectations versus resources. Makes me wonder what Mourinho was happy to promise to secure the deal and why there is no reports of any bitterness at his sacking!
 
The club should be exploring different managers and finding out who the right and wrong candidates are. What they haven't done well is the press officer drip-feeding the likes of Gold. I know that is how we operate now - they give titbits to some select jornos. But that was a mistake this time. Just do the work behind the scenes, and don't splash it around if we can help it. I guess the issue is things leak out, and the club wants to clarify the reality.

It is silly season. The offseason is made for fans getting their knickers in a twist.
 
Daisuk said:
I agree with all of that - yet, I'd take Potter in a heartbeat. I think he'd do well. But Levy will know that the fans won't accept him, so he has to look elsewhere. But who's left now? Ten Haag can't be too keen on this mess. Maybe another go with Poch could be good. I think Levy needs to try that, to salvage some good vibes from this ridiculous mess that we've come to expect from our football club.

With Spurs it's always best to assume that a brick show is going to happen, and just get positively surprised if it doesn't. It doesn't really bother me emotionally these days, thank fudge, but to anyone who finds this all a bit hard to handle - delete your social media stuff and just log off for a while. Better days to come.
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If they'd clearly gone for Potter at the start because he fitted their long term plan and vision then I think fans would have been on board (sure some would have been underwhelmed but the majority could see he could be taken as a Poch lite) but now they've led this merry dance across Europe with seemingly no plan in place for the style of manager they want.

Then we have the Juve DOF who appears to have no credible track record let alone one that fits with our aims and budgets. Juve are a mess financially.

It all smacks of having no proper plan at all - the obvious managers to build with young players and a style of playing would have been Rodgers, Potter or ETH yet seems like Levy is addicted to thinking a big name will cover up for his mistakes.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Do you honestly think we didn't go after Conte and Poch?
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No one is saying we don’t enquire/have talks with them. The fact is the media hasn’t a clue how far things have gone. Once the media heard we had enquired about Poch they went into a frenzy how Poch had told PSG he wants to go, how Spurs are close to sealing Poch none of which was true. Same with Conte, caught wind of initial talks and the media again hyped it up to Conte close to signing. They all just want to be the first to break stories, and if it doesn’t happen they can always make up plenty of nonsense as to why it stalled.....
 
DeanoAustin said:
Do you honestly think we didn't go after Conte and Poch?
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I am not saying that no, but i doubt much of the news that has been posted on T w Att er and the likes since has been correct. You would think that in todays world news ( lies, guesses, agendas etc and i am talking about all outlets) most folks would accept/ realize that there is a lot of flimflam. Sad really.
 
SpurMeUp said:
The club should be exploring different managers and finding out who the right and wrong candidates are. What they haven't done well is the press officer drip-feeding the likes of Gold. I know that is how we operate now - they give titbits to some select jornos. But that was a mistake this time. Just do the work behind the scenes, and don't splash it around if we can help it. I guess the issue is things leak out, and the club wants to clarify the reality.

It is silly season. The offseason is made for fans getting their knickers in a twist.
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I can see where you are coming from and you make a good point. However knowing the likes of Sky Sports news and social media they would only make stories up anyway . Sad thing is that there seems to still be a lot of folks who believe everything they read even though most would accept that these outlets do not know much about honesty.
 
Glad we're back to being mocked widely. Levy defenders trying their best to say Conte was a bad fit. Simple fact is like Kane, we can't match a winners ambition. Spin it however you want but that's the crux of the issue with Levy.

Now we're back to "oh but Levy wants to build something". Then why the fudge did we hire Jose?

Look forward to more defensive posts about "yeh but look how brick we were in the 90s". Ignoring the fact we won more trophies in the ten years preceding Levy than 20 years after


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