Next Manager?

[DeanoAustin]

Poch wasn’t first choice for us
He didn’t do bad
He also came form a lesser club but convinced players to believe in his methods
It’s pretty much what Potter would have to do here (assuming the DOF agents rid of the dross)

Fair point but I think the circumstances here are much different and they could make life much more difficult for a Potter-type manager than what Poch had to contend with.

LvG binned us off for Man U. Conte seems to have refused because we aren't serious about winning.

We hadn't lost our best player in 2014. I can't see a way that Kane stays now. And again, even if you look at Bale leaving a year before Poch arrived, he binned us off for Real Madrid. Kane seems to be saying, I'll go anywhere that I can win a trophy coz I'm not doing it here.

Levy sacked Mourinho 6 days before a cup final. Personally, I thought Mourinho had to go but the timing was odd (it should have happened earlier or at the end of the season). But id lived through the Mourinho reign like many on here and thought it was toxic. Looking from the outside, sacking Jose and putting in a lad on work experience 6 days before a cup final looks bizarre.

The ESL stuff backfired on Levy although I don't think he had an option on it.

But the case against him is building for anyone who wants to have a go. His position is becoming weaker because everything that's happened over the last few months points to a man who doesn't care about glory or trophies and just cares about the balance sheet.

That may or may not be true. But Levy is guilty, at best, of conducting things terribly from a PR perspective and, rightly or wrongly, that's going to be enough to cause him massive problems which will then cause the new man, if it isn't a big name, massive problems too.

 

[DeanoAustin]

No one is saying we don’t enquire/have talks with them. The fact is the media hasn’t a clue how far things have gone. Once the media heard we had enquired about Poch they went into a frenzy how Poch had told PSG he wants to go, how Spurs are close to sealing Poch none of which was true. Same with Conte, caught wind of initial talks and the media again hyped it up to Conte close to signing. They all just want to be the first to break stories, and if it doesn’t happen they can always make up plenty of nonsense as to why it stalled.....

I am not saying that no, but i doubt much of the news that has been posted on T w Att er and the likes since has been correct. You would think that in todays world news ( lies, guesses, agendas etc and i am talking about all outlets) most folks would accept/ realize that there is a lot of flimflam. Sad really.

Gold and Dan K had this so the club was leaking it to an extent. They're basically mouthpieces for Tottenham.

Can you think of any other club who have been linked this strongly with managers of the ilk of Conte and Poch and who ended up with a Graham Potter?

 

[Kandi1977]

Can you think of any other club who have been linked this strongly with managers of the ilk of Conte and Poch and who ended up with a Graham Potter?

Every time West Ham are looking for a new manager.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Fair point but I think the circumstances here are much different and they could make life much more difficult for a Potter-type manager than what Poch had to contend with.

LvG binned us off for Man U. Conte seems to have refused because we aren't serious about winning.

We hadn't lost our best player in 2014. I can't see a way that Kane stays now. And again, even if you look at Bale leaving a year before Poch arrived, he binned us off for Real Madrid. Kane seems to be saying, I'll go anywhere that I can win a trophy coz I'm not doing it here.

Levy sacked Mourinho 6 days before a cup final. Personally, I thought Mourinho had to go but the timing was odd (it should have happened earlier or at the end of the season). But id lived through the Mourinho reign like many on here and thought it was toxic. Looking from the outside, sacking Jose and putting in a lad on work experience 6 days before a cup final looks bizarre.

The ESL stuff backfired on Levy although I don't think he had an option on it.

But the case against him is building for anyone who wants to have a go. His position is becoming weaker because everything that's happened over the last few months points to a man who doesn't care about glory or trophies and just cares about the balance sheet.

That may or may not be true. But Levy is guilty, at best, of conducting things terribly from a PR perspective and, rightly or wrongly, that's going to be enough to cause him massive problems which will then cause the new man, if it isn't a big name, massive problems too.

I still can’t see Kane leaving. Levy wont sell IMO and no one will it a fee that would make him

And we should all know by know that Levy doesn’t care one bit about PR. He just cares about the club and his investment.

Lvg took United and plenty of us (myself included) wanted De Boer. After all Poch hasn’t won anything and wasn’t name

Poch came in and quickly convinced key players that he knew what was needed. He was so convincing it encouraged younger players like mason and Kane to turn on Ade and Kaboul. That’s a master stroke there IMO

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Gold and Dan K had this so the club was leaking it to an extent. They're basically mouthpieces for Tottenham.

Can you think of any other club who have been linked this strongly with managers of the ilk of Conte and Poch and who ended up with a Graham Potter?

United
They have ended up with Ole…
Arsenal too… big name managers linked

 

[fernadez]

No one is saying we don’t enquire/have talks with them. The fact is the media hasn’t a clue how far things have gone. Once the media heard we had enquired about Poch they went into a frenzy how Poch had told PSG he wants to go, how Spurs are close to sealing Poch none of which was true. Same with Conte, caught wind of initial talks and the media again hyped it up to Conte close to signing. They all just want to be the first to break stories, and if it doesn’t happen they can always make up plenty of nonsense as to why it stalled.....

Why are we enquiring in the first place is my question. Have a plan and stick to it.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Every time West Ham are looking for a new manager.

That the level we are at?

United
They have ended up with Ole…
Arsenal too… big name managers linked

Were either club as strongly linked with big name managers before those appointments? To the point that contact was confirmed to have been made and talks commenced?

It's also with noting that neither Ole or Arteta have been a success compared to the expectations at those clubs.

 

[parklane1]

Gold and Dan K had this so the club was leaking it to an extent. They're basically mouthpieces for Tottenham.

Can you think of any other club who have been linked this strongly with managers of the ilk of Conte and Poch and who ended up with a Graham Potter?

So IF they have had leaks from the club why have they changed their pieces/minds so many times, i think the importance of what Gold/ Dan K say is vastly over rated by s ome fans. As for other teams i have no idea as to what other clubs do/say/promise etc does not concern me in the slightest.

I may be wrong ( it does happen ) but i have never read/heard the likes of Gold suggest that it was all a ruse by Levy to sell S/T like some fools have suggested. Listen i am just as upset as other fans are over our situation at the moment but there are several who are not willing to look at this for what it is. We need a manger for sure and i am pretty sure we will have one pretty soon, i am not going to throw my toys out of the pram because its taking longer then s ome think it should do.

I am sure i have read s ome where on here fans slagging of the club for not signing any players yet. Jesus Christ the window is not even fudging open yet.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I'd say that part of the problem is that the 'intense' media coverage and some very assertive posts on social media tend to create a mini-Zeitgeist. You can't really blame people for feeling a certain expectation when they read twenty times a day that their dream appointment, be it Conte or Pochettino, is about to come true. Unfortunately, even if we are supposed to know that these things are to be taken with a pinch of salt, it's like a joke that has been dragging on for too long. At some point, some people are going to take it seriously and they're going to be disappointed.

The only good thing to come out of this is that maybe, just maybe, people won't shoot the next manager down just because he isn't Pochettino. Maybe it will allow some of us to take some distance.

On a personal level, I have to admit that the situation doesn't fill me with confidence. I'm with SubZero: apart from Hoddle, I don't remember ever 'wanting' a manager or hating someone so much I wouldn't give him a chance. However, I'd rather we appointed an up and coming manager soon (Potter, for instance but even Eddie Howe) than let the issue drag on and therefore reduce the window of opportunity for working on the squad which, in my opinion, is the main concern.

Having said that, we'll see in a few months if Levy was right. Maybe he'll get another lucky strike, maybe he's working on a few deals in the meantime. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to predict the future when you're 'just' a fan. We'll have to wait and see, I guess but I really wish we appointed someone sooner rather than later because I feel this isn't a very good time for the club, regardless of whether people are upset for the right or wrong reasons.

 

[harr1984]

So IF they have had leaks from the club why have they changed their pieces/minds so many times, i think the importance of what Gold/ Dan K say is vastly over rated by s ome fans. As for other teams i have no idea as to what other clubs do/say/promise etc does not concern me in the slightest.

I may be wrong ( it does happen ) but i have never read/heard the likes of Gold suggest that it was all a ruse by Levy to sell S/T like some fools have suggested. Listen i am just as upset as other fans are over our situation at the moment but there are several who are not willing to look at this for what it is. We need a manger for sure and i am pretty sure we will have one pretty soon, i am not going to throw my toys out of the pram because its taking longer then s ome think it should do.

I am sure i have read s ome where on here fans slagging of the club for not signing any players yet. Jesus Christ the window is not even fudging open yet.

Since some on here said Ali Gold had Spurs links I paid particular attention to what he says. Ends up whatever he is drip fed from the club is the pretty unimportant stuff, and whenever it is something of a more sensitive nature like player targets or managerial situation he flip flops like the rest of them. People can believe what they want, but I’m not going to get my knickers in a twist about things I know nothing about. I’ll reserve judgement for when we see who the manager is.....

 

[DeanoAustin]

So IF they have had leaks from the club why have they changed their pieces/minds so many times, i think the importance of what Gold/ Dan K say is vastly over rated by s ome fans. As for other teams i have no idea as to what other clubs do/say/promise etc does not concern me in the slightest.

I may be wrong ( it does happen ) but i have never read/heard the likes of Gold suggest that it was all a ruse by Levy to sell S/T like some fools have suggested. Listen i am just as upset as other fans are over our situation at the moment but there are several who are not willing to look at this for what it is. We need a manger for sure and i am pretty sure we will have one pretty soon, i am not going to throw my toys out of the pram because its taking longer then s ome think it should do.

I am sure i have read s ome where on here fans slagging of the club for not signing any players yet. Jesus Christ the window is not even fudging open yet.

Have they reported anything that isn't conceivable? I've not heard either contradict themselves.

I do agree on the season ticket stuff. That all seems very Machiavellian and I don't buy it. That would make Levy a true evil genius.

You've got to look at other clubs. If we're doing it so differently than everyone else and failing, you have to question the methods employed. Personally, I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram yet. I still think Levy may have something up his sleeve. But if he doesn't appoint a big name manager, it causes him a massive problem with the fan base and damages his credibility.

I've huge admiration for what Levy has done for us and always will. Not just for the club but for the local area. He's got us to the top table of European football after a decade of pure brick, he's built the best facilities/infrastructure of any club in the world. That's what we needed when he took over. But if he fails on this appointment, for me, he's proven that he can't take us to glory in the form of trophies and his reign has run its course.

 

[fernadez]

A good barometer will be Everton, let's see how they go about getting in a manager.

 

[MKSpur]

If Alasdair Gold is a mouthpiece is this a double bluff? Make us think we are losing Conte just to make us appreciate him coming even note?!

 

[glasgowspur]

All the chat about why did we talk to Conte, we know what he is like, well cuts both ways. Why did Conte want to talk to us, our MO is more ingrained and better known than his.
What made him think we'd change?
Conte never made any sense for either party and why it gained any traction is a total mystery.

 

[Robspur12]

Every time West Ham are looking for a new manager.

They're not really a club though, more of a rabble.

 

[parklane1]

Have they reported anything that isn't conceivable? I've not heard either contradict themselves.

I do agree on the season ticket stuff. That all seems very Machiavellian and I don't buy it. That would make Levy a true evil genius.

You've got to look at other clubs. If we're doing it so differently than everyone else and failing, you have to question the methods employed. Personally, I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram yet. I still think Levy may have something up his sleeve. But if he doesn't appoint a big name manager, it causes him a massive problem with the fan base and damages his credibility.

I've huge admiration for what Levy has done for us and always will. Not just for the club but for the local area. He's got us to the top table of European football after a decade of pure brick, he's built the best facilities/infrastructure of any club in the world. That's what we needed when he took over. But if he fails on this appointment, for me, he's proven that he can't take us to glory in the form of trophies and his reign has run its course.

I can not/do not disagree with most of that, personally i am happy to wait and see just what Levy does after a full season of full houses at the Lane. I accept that s ome will disagree with me but we have been hampered by our ground being shut probably far more then any other club has.

Do not get me wrong Covid is a bitch and it has been for everyone, but we were looking forward to making a lot of money coming into the club and being in a much stronger position then we have ever been in, sadly we still have loans to pay back and very little income ( if any) to be able to do that. If we get full houses this season then there will be NO excuse for Levy not to invest MORE heavily into the team.

As for the new manager appointment i must admit for the first time ever i have/had no favourite choice for a new manager once Jose left. We obviously NEED a massive overall of players and until we get rid of the deadbeats we will always fail to progress. I may be in the minority but for me i think a whoever we get has to be able to attract GOOD/GREAT players and that is why once Conte name came up i was happy to see that happen.

 

[El Guepardo]

I really don’t understand why people say that this is a stunt to sell season tickets. All available season tickets will sell out. There is a waiting list of people desperate to get a season ticket. It doesn’t matter if we appoint Potter, Conte or Fred the barber. Perhaps there might be those that decline the season ticket out of principle due to their disliking of the manager, but that’s highly unlikely.

That would mean that were the new manager to be a success, the chance for a future season ticket would be slim. People would instead likely renew as they support the club NOT the manager. Or are some of you saying that you only support a club in which the manager is someone you like?

 

[Mikey10]

There's a very simple rule to journalism.

No quotes = made up flimflam.

No quotes but wasn’t far off the mark in the end, it seems.

 

[Legohamster]

If Alasdair Gold is a mouthpiece is this a double bluff? Make us think we are losing Conte just to make us appreciate him coming even note?!
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Had a quick look at the video, doesn’t seem to be a mouthpiece, seems genuinely annoyed at the running of the club

 

[Diamond Lights]

All the chat about why did we talk to Conte, we know what he is like, well cuts both ways. Why did Conte want to talk to us, our MO is more ingrained and better known than his.
What made him think we'd change?
Conte never made any sense for either party and why it gained any traction is a total mystery.

We're the 8th richest club in world football with the best stadium in Europe and one of the top training academies in England.

In terms of financials and resources we're huge, hence the ESL admission.

We fall over because we have the resources and financials of a big club but not the mentality in the board room and that has been evidenced time and time again. Saha and Nelson say hello.


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