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New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

Who Do You Want Then?

  • Poch

    Votes: 58 43.3%

  • Gallardo

    Votes: 7 5.2%

  • De Zerbi

    Votes: 2 1.5%

  • Enrique

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Carrick

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Kompany

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 23 17.2%

  • Tuchel

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 24 17.9%

  • Slot

    Votes: 17 12.7%
  • Total voters
    134
Surely we could add some players/loans/spare bibs/pre-season match/cheese basket/blah blah into a deal to grease the wheels if need be.
 
Always worth taking motivation into account when reading the press.

There are no football stories around. The transfer market hasn't started up, the season is over. Spurs are high profile and anything related to them will generate views - journalists have columns to fill.

Much like in silly season, many of these stories are completely fabricated. This is especially true of the "Something was going to happen but it didn't" type of story - even more so when there are no quotes to back them up.
 
harr1984 said:
You dont have access to any real information though.

You can accuse Levy of many things, but stupid isn't one of them. He is aware of our underperformance and the pressure to get this next appointment right. He will be aware of how popular Poch is and how he could easily appease the majority of fans by appointing him. If it was that simple he would be here, or at least offered the job.

So why isn't he? Well for starters it appears Poch demanded having full control over transfers at Chelsea, he won't get that here. We want the DOF model, and regardless Levy has already experience of overseeing Poch transfers and to be fair the success rate isnt great. You can argue as much as you want how they weren't his signings, that is all too convenient - if he wasnt having a say in transfers he or any manager worth their salt would have walked.

As for not even discussing with Poch, how do you know? Levy and Poch have a personal relationship, there is no need to involve agents which means you wouldn't hear any talk in the media as they wouldn't be aware other than for the usual fabricated media nonsense.

In short, yes Poch was an obvious quick fix to a lot of fans but that doesn't mean it was the right answer when you know only a small segment of the story.....
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Agree with the comments about Levy. Fairly or unfairly, the DoF and Manager appointments do seem to be becoming a bit of a mess at the moment with fewer and fewer options seemingly available, and yet because of the poor recent appointments (manager) and poor planning (Paratici court case) these are more vital than most of the appointments he's ever made at Spurs. Our image is going down the toilet which impacts ability to attract players, managers and will eventually hit us commercially

I'm sure Levy must have though about the how the DoF role works with Munn too, but from the outside there does seem to be a good bit of overlap
 
scaramanga said:
Always worth taking motivation into account when reading the press.

There are no football stories around. The transfer market hasn't started up, the season is over. Spurs are high profile and anything related to them will generate views - journalists have columns to fill.

Much like in silly season, many of these stories are completely fabricated. This is especially true of the "Something was going to happen but it didn't" type of story - even more so when there are no quotes to back them up.
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Funnily enough the only quote is from Slot saying there hasn't been transfer conversations yet that seems too easily ignored. Can be summed up by the Daily Mail online (I know, I should know better) have an article headlined Slot snubbing Spurs, then the article below it is saying Spurs baulked at Feyenord's demands for a fee. So which is it?! They haven't a clue, but as always many buy into it, it's actually quite scary how easily media can dictate....
 
Mr Gogolak said:
You can't eat your cake and have it. Either all reports are fair play or they're not. For days now, you've been saying that anything that isn't a direct quote shouldn't be believed.

You didn't say he threw his toys out of the pram but you implied that because we asked for time to consider (speculation on your part, by the way, unless I missed something), he decided to stay at Feyenoord. The real question is, why did we find out about the 20m now. We couldn't ask his agent? The guy was considering leaving his job and he told his agent, 'hey, please, don't have any informal talks with other clubs on my behalf and, more importantly, don't tell them about my contract situation'. If that's what you want to believe, no problem.

What bugs me is that when someone thinks differently, you're quick to say there's no evidence to back it up. Where's the evidence here? You're assuming, just like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that, we all do it. But your speculation isn't more or less valid than anyone else's. Nobody knows who will get the job at the end of the day (figure of speech...). It's the process that's under question, not the end result.

So you don't give a fudge if people who actually work in football tell you there's a problem with the way the club operate? That's an interesting stance.
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You’d do well to read what I write some more. I’ve never once said anything that isn’t a direct quote shouldn’t be believed. And you’re right, I am assuming. But I acknowledge that in all [most] of my posts. The part you quoted literally said “I think…”

Like this. Never have I claimed anything to be a fact here. I acknowledge there are a couple of potential stories:

There were reports (like this one) that Slot was keen to stay and take Feyenoord to the Champions League. Maybe they were able to convince him to stay. Maybe Spurs balked at the compensation figure and that put Slot off. I didn't say he threw his toys out of the pram.
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And no, I don’t pay much attention to any of the noise around the club. It is just that: noise. Everyone is in it for their own benefit, they all have their own motivations. I support Spurs and I will back my club.
 
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Diamond Lights said:
Still mindblowing the open goal on Poch. Imagine having an obvious option in front of you for the last several months and not even discussing it.

In the corporate world you'd be sacked for gross negligence on such a call.
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You would be sacked for trying to hire someone you sacked for not getting over the line and then declining the moment brick got hard? I don’t think so.
 
AdamB said:
If Levy thinks the 'ask' is outrageous then it makes sense. It's called anchoring - if I offer you £10 to buy your house you wont entertain a conversation. Same happens if the seller of something sets a price which you think its off the charts. You dont make a counter (as you wouldnt with my £10 offer for your house), you just walk away rather than having negotiations anchored around that price

Probably needs Slot to have 24/48 hours to reflect on things and call his agent to agitate things with F if it has any chance, but feels very low probability
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Yeah but things don't exist in a bubble. If it's the best house available or the seller didn't even want to sell in the first place you have to expect they are gonna try bend you over on the price. What did Levy think these clubs were going to do. Why would Feyenoord give away their best manager in recent times for £2.50 and a signed Kane pic. Can a man who took the price of some Modric shirts off a transfer fee be surprised
 
AdamB said:
Just not true. Won over 50% of his games at Liverpool, two 5th placed finishes at Leicester, took Liverpool to 2nd (and a 6th and 7th), Swansea to 11th. Won GHod knows how many titles at Celtic.

Given where each of those club were when he arrived, I think he's done well at each of them. I certainly dont think you can say that he failed at any of them
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He's not even in the top 10 Liverpool managers by win %.
Brought Swansea up, a club that went onto win the LC after he left.
Won titles at celtic that the previous and subsequent managers have also won, not a great indicator. Ronny deila won the league with celtic, its really not an achievement.
Leicester could well be relegated.
 
scaramanga said:
Always worth taking motivation into account when reading the press.

There are no football stories around. The transfer market hasn't started up, the season is over. Spurs are high profile and anything related to them will generate views - journalists have columns to fill.

Much like in silly season, many of these stories are completely fabricated. This is especially true of the "Something was going to happen but it didn't" type of story - even more so when there are no quotes to back them up.
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Exactly this, classic example yesterday where at least two or three stories contradict but all is seemingly clawed onto and taken as gospel despite them all seemingly being all over the shop.

Mentioned it before that a mate of mine who was on the sports desk at News International (Now at Boxxer) said many stories were put out to manipulate mood because the press like their element of power, this idea they can make or break people is not new and not uncommon. There is a trend in reporting, especially with managers and helping put them on the brink, they have even tried with Klopp a few times with clear ramping up campaigns suggesting he should and is close to the chop. Such is the lineal nature of news that no one ever goes back to fact check anything and the "sources tell us" is the biggest get out of jail ever, never more prevalent than yesterday when there was a clear quote and yet Sky wanted to contradict with their sources.....and its eaten up.

Also lets be honest, its all about money, Talksport incentivise their staff to put out rubbish and profit share on phone ins.....news consolidators (including Tottenham specifics) are often paid for hit, paid for links, sponsored. No point being level and rational in that, makes no money.

Like someone else just said, the truth is somewhere more moderately in the middle than the extremes reported and believed, the nuances of football, the unpredictable nature, self interest from those in it all exists as a fact for a reason
 
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glasgowspur said:
He's not even in the top 10 Liverpool managers by win %.
Brought Swansea up, a club that went onto win the LC after he left.
Won titles at celtic that the previous and subsequent managers have also won, not a great indicator. Ronny deila won the league with celtic, its really not an achievement.
Leicester could well be relegated.
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I'd add one to the plus column for that.
 
AdamB said:
Just not true. Won over 50% of his games at Liverpool, two 5th placed finishes at Leicester, took Liverpool to 2nd (and a 6th and 7th), Swansea to 11th. Won GHod knows how many titles at Celtic.

Given where each of those club were when he arrived, I think he's done well at each of them. I certainly dont think you can say that he failed at any of them
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Nothing to do with results, it’s the envelopes, the huge portraits of himself in his own house, the David Brentisms.

He’s a nutter.
 
Baleforce said:
Nothing to do with results, it’s the envelopes, the huge portraits of himself in his own house, the David Brentisms.

He’s a nutter.
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Blokes a narcissist who generally burns every bridge he crosses. We don't need a cnut like him as manger. What he has done to a pretty well stacked Leicester should be the only warning people need IMO
 
AdamB said:
Just not true. Won over 50% of his games at Liverpool, two 5th placed finishes at Leicester, took Liverpool to 2nd (and a 6th and 7th), Swansea to 11th. Won GHod knows how many titles at Celtic.

Given where each of those club were when he arrived, I think he's done well at each of them. I certainly dont think you can say that he failed at any of them
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You put a negative spin on everything Spurs, and you save your positive spin for Rodgers?o_O
 
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