New England manager = Roy Hodgson

[mick cooper]

Not only do I doubt it, I entirely disagree with it. As I've said in another thread, we've had some success (probably no greater than most other old-school English style managers could have got) but at the cost of a lot of how I believe a club should be publicly represented and how it's employees should behave.

One thing that's always been great about Spurs is that we do things correctly whether it's failed us in the past or not. Having someone like Redknapp in charge (for what I perceive to be marginal extra success at best) makes us less of a great club and more like all the others who would sell their souls to win a match.

You keep making this point

Can you tell me where Redknapp has done something publicly in his tenure as Spurs manager, that has heaped shame and embarassment on the club?

any more than - Christian Gross, or Gerry Francis, or George Graham?

something tangible

 

[southstand1882]

anyone want to take that question?

Rhetorical?

 

[africanspurs]

It's simple... Forget about tearing online verbal strips out of each other , we're not sat at home being argumentative arseholes but sat on the THFC board alongside Levy .....

Are we telling Levy, that in our opinion, Harry should be rewarded with a new improved contract?

based on the last 3 and half to 4 years? absolutely. His record speaks for itself especially when you take into account the win column, Points per game, the defensive records he set 2 years ago, the CL, style of football (pleaseing on the eye even though there is no pattern i can see

yeah , he earned it

 

[southstand1882]

You keep making this point

Can you tell me where Redknapp has done something publicly in his tenure as Spurs manager, that has heaped shame and embarassment on the club?

any more than - Christian Gross, or Gerry Francis, or George Graham?

something tangible

He swore on TV

Will start another manager thread

My knee is killing me

 

[africanspurs]

I'm sorry but that is complete and utter gonads. Has the Jol era been rubbed from everyone's memories. When we were a dodgy lasagna away from 4th with Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool all arguably much better teams than what they are today? A poor run under Ramos (after winning our last trophy mind you) and somehow we're back to midtable flogs who should know our place.

We'd been building for this ever since ENIC and Levy came on board. When Graham was sacked for Hoddle, every decision the club made was about not only getting Champs League, but staying there. To dismiss the eras between Hoddle's appointment and Harry's is ridiculous. It didn't work under Hoddle, Santini's appointment was too clever by half, Jol made the most progress and Ramos again was just Levy getting ahead of himself. But every year we progressed. Hell, we were thought very highly of and many peoples outside tips for top 4 when Berbatov came along. We've been up and amongst for almost a decade now.

not midtable, but we never were perenial CL side either or CL contending every year? not under Jol.....

 

[polski sklep]

Not only do I doubt it, I entirely disagree with it. As I've said in another thread, we've had some success (probably no greater than most other old-school English style managers could have got) but at the cost of a lot of how I believe a club should be publicly represented and how it's employees should behave.

Very much so.

One thing that's always been great about Spurs is that we do things correctly whether it's failed us in the past or not. Having someone like Redknapp in charge (for what I perceive to be marginal extra success at best) makes us less of a great club and more like all the others who would sell their souls to win a match.

I think a lot of the mystic of how we 'do things the right way', stems from those Blanchflower quotes.

We've had plenty of players, managers and chairmen over the years who could be seen in a similar light to how you view Redknapp.

Personally, I don't think we've always done things the right way and nor do I think Redknapp is such a bad apple, that he represents our club selling it's soul.

 

[billyiddo]

fudging hell the wind up merchants are out in force today

 

[Superted]

not midtable, but we never were perenial CL side either or CL contending every year? not under Jol.....

We were moving in the right direction.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

I'm sorry but that is complete and utter gonads. Has the Jol era been rubbed from everyone's memories. When we were a dodgy lasagna away from 4th with Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool all arguably much better teams than what they are today? A poor run under Ramos (after winning our last trophy mind you) and somehow we're back to midtable flogs who should know our place.

We'd been building for this ever since ENIC and Levy came on board. When Graham was sacked for Hoddle, every decision the club made was about not only getting Champs League, but staying there. To dismiss the eras between Hoddle's appointment and Harry's is ridiculous. It didn't work under Hoddle, Santini's appointment was too clever by half, Jol made the most progress and Ramos again was just Levy getting ahead of himself. But every year we progressed. Hell, we were thought very highly of and many peoples outside tips for top 4 when Berbatov came along. We've been up and amongst for almost a decade now.

We were good under Jol, challenging for the top 4 in one season (only one) and when the landscape of the league was much less competitive. Now, with the money Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Emirates Marketing Project have spent, they should be well ahead of us. United will always be up there. Arsenal now have the big stadium and can pay much bigger wages.

Progress has always been 'towards' the goal of the CL, but no-one achieved it until Harry. That's the point. Levy deserves great credit, but so does Harry. We may have got close (once) under Jol, but we fell short in the big games and that cost us. With Harry, we won all the big games we needed to and made it ours. That's the difference. You don't need to convince me of the merits of Jol, I loved the guy, but we are on a different level with Harry. The fact that the Premier League is even more competitive means the achievement is greater. Everyone else has improved. We may have somewhere around the 6th best playing budget, so we should be around 6th. We are 4th.

 

[Superted]

We've had plenty of players, managers and chairmen over the years who could be seen in a similar light to how you view Redknapp.

Personally, I don't think we've always done things the right way and nor do I think Redknapp is such a bad apple, that he represents our club selling it's soul.

That's not to say we can't set an expectation for future conduct. There's many things in the recent history of this club that are shameful, (Scholar, Venables, Graham, the treatment of Jol) but that shouldn't mean our moral compass is permanently set to crook.

We are better than that.

 

[southstand1882]

We were good under Jol, challenging for the top 4 in one season (only one) and when the landscape of the league was much less competitive. Now, with the money Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Emirates Marketing Project have spent, they should be well ahead of us. United will always be up there. Arsenal now have the big stadium and can pay much bigger wages.

Progress has always been 'towards' the goal of the CL, but no-one achieved it until Harry. That's the point. Levy deserves great credit, but so does Harry. We may have got close (once) under Jol, but we fell short in the big games and that cost us. With Harry, we won all the big games we needed to and made it ours. That's the difference. You don't need to convince me of the merits of Jol, I loved the guy, but we are on a different level with Harry. The fact that the Premier League is even more competitive means the achievement is greater. Everyone else has improved. We may have somewhere around the 6th best playing budget, so we should be around 6th. We are 4th.

Excellent post

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Just another post telling people, that have a differing opinion to you, what they were thinking..

But that's the point isn't it? I'm trying to show how ridiculous it all is. No-one thought we were perennial CL challengers. No-one certainly thought Redknapp had a hope in hell of making us the force we are. And he does it, and all of a sudden it's 'well we should be doing better than this anyway'. It's rubbish.

 

[braineclipse]

We were good under Jol, challenging for the top 4 in one season (only one) and when the landscape of the league was much less competitive. Now, with the money Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Emirates Marketing Project have spent, they should be well ahead of us. United will always be up there. Arsenal now have the big stadium and can pay much bigger wages.

Progress has always been 'towards' the goal of the CL, but no-one achieved it until Harry. That's the point. Levy deserves great credit, but so does Harry. We may have got close (once) under Jol, but we fell short in the big games and that cost us. With Harry, we won all the big games we needed to and made it ours. That's the difference. You don't need to convince me of the merits of Jol, I loved the guy, but we are on a different level with Harry. The fact that the Premier League is even more competitive means the achievement is greater. Everyone else has improved. We may have somewhere around the 6th best playing budget, so we should be around 6th. We are 4th.

I disagree.

Chelsea had just as much money, and a better side and fudging Mourinho. Liverpool had players like Alonso, Mascherano and an in form Torres. Arsenal had a much stronger side than now. The only team that has gotten significantly stronger is Emirates Marketing Project.

The other factor to be considered is the playing squad available to the managers. Do you think Jol had a squad that was as strong as what Harry currently has had?

 

[Superted]

We were good under Jol, challenging for the top 4 in one season (only one) and when the landscape of the league was much less competitive. Now, with the money Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Emirates Marketing Project have spent, they should be well ahead of us. United will always be up there. Arsenal now have the big stadium and can pay much bigger wages.

Progress has always been 'towards' the goal of the CL, but no-one achieved it until Harry. That's the point. Levy deserves great credit, but so does Harry. We may have got close (once) under Jol, but we fell short in the big games and that cost us. With Harry, we won all the big games we needed to and made it ours. That's the difference. You don't need to convince me of the merits of Jol, I loved the guy, but we are on a different level with Harry. The fact that the Premier League is even more competitive means the achievement is greater. Everyone else has improved. We may have somewhere around the 6th best playing budget, so we should be around 6th. We are 4th.

You don't need to convince me that Harry's gotten the results, I think despite my anti-Harry leaning I've never discredited his achievements on the scoreboard. My point being that they are being overstated by certain people, Harry included, by contrasting them to a Spurs which was apparantly a basket case that have "never had it so good" and "should" only be finishing mid table.

We were a good team, we were getting better.

Completely unprovable but I believe had we not had the Jol/Ramos debacle, Jol would have gotten us Champs League by now and we'd be a better team today.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

We were moving in the right direction.

Can you remember what the league was like at the time we nearly got 4th under Jol? We probably should have been challenging for it that year when you look at the rest of the league.

Man United and Chelsea would have had the top 2 sewn up. Liverpool were the European Champions. Arsenal had a poor squad that year, coming to the end of the invincibles cycle. Then us, who had recruited well with Arnesen in charge. Then?

Our nearest challengers were Blackburn. Then Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Then Bolton. Then West Ham. Then Wigan. That completes the top half. Do you think any of those should have been getting 4th ahead of us? Emirates Marketing Project and Villa were way down in the bottom half, Everton were 11th, Sunderland came bottom. The rest of the sides making up the league that season were small clubs that have since been relegated, the likes of Charlton and Middlesbrough.

We absolutely should have been challenging for 4th that season. And we didn't get it. Now, City have joined United and Chelsea in that they should be guaranteed top 4 finishers every year with the money they are capable of spending. Arsenal have moved on to another level with the new stadium and the wages they are capable of paying. Liverpool can also pay way much more than us in fees and wages, and have bigger commercial income. It's a way more competitive landscape now, and that's before including Saudi Sportswashing Machine who have a big stadium and a good, highly under-rated squad. The fact that it is us sitting in 4th spot, challenging for it every year, is fantastic. How people think we should be doing better than we are is beyond me.

 

[polski sklep]

That's not to say we can't set an expectation for future conduct. There's many things in the recent history of this club that are shameful, (Scholar, Venables, Graham, the treatment of Jol) but that shouldn't mean our moral compass is permanently set to crook.

We are better than that.

It isn't a case of either/or, just personal expectations.

How does the club implement a collective future conduct? What is it?

 

[linnet_spur]

To sum up anyone who still supports Harry is a fudging macaron, anyone who is against him is a fudging macaron. Close thread.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

We were good under Jol, challenging for the top 4 in one season (only one) and when the landscape of the league was much less competitive. Now, with the money Chelsea, Liverpool and especially Emirates Marketing Project have spent, they should be well ahead of us. United will always be up there. Arsenal now have the big stadium and can pay much bigger wages.

The landscape of the league was MORE competitive. We had a vastly inferior squad to that which we have now. Chelsea had Mourinho in charge and the most expensively assembled squad in the league. Utd had their best squad in decades, as did Liverpool. Arsenal were a hell of a lot stronger than now. We were in a bunch with Villa and Everton competing to get ahead of each other. It was an incredibly competitive time for top 4 placings. And we finished 5th twice in a row - not a million miles away at all.

Progress has always been 'towards' the goal of the CL, but no-one achieved it until Harry. That's the point. Levy deserves great credit, but so does Harry. We may have got close (once) under Jol, but we fell short in the big games and that cost us. With Harry, we won all the big games we needed to and made it ours. That's the difference. You don't need to convince me of the merits of Jol, I loved the guy, but we are on a different level with Harry. The fact that the Premier League is even more competitive means the achievement is greater. Everyone else has improved. We may have somewhere around the 6th best playing budget, so we should be around 6th. We are 4th.

What exactly, in your opinion, has Harry done that is far and away superior to what you think any other "decent" manager would have done? What has he done that Jol didnt?

And Im not talking results - actual management - what has he done that has made you think "Wow, thats a level above what we have had before"?

 

[harr1984]

We're a top 6 six side but anyone who thinks we should be coming 4th MINIMUM severely overestimates our squad and resources....

 

[harr1984]

The landscape of the league was MORE competitive. We had a vastly inferior squad to that which we have now. Chelsea had Mourinho in charge and the most expensively assembled squad in the league. Utd had their best squad in decades, as did Liverpool. Arsenal were a hell of a lot stronger than now. We were in a bunch with Villa and Everton competing to get ahead of each other. It was an incredibly competitive time for top 4 placings. And we finished 5th twice in a row - not a million miles away at all.



What exactly, in your opinion, has Harry done that is far and away superior to what you think any other "decent" manager would have done? What has he done that Jol didnt?

And Im not talking results - actual management - what has he done that has made you think "Wow, thats a level above what we have had before"?

Why would you not want to look at results? That's what every manager is judged on surely.....