Nacer Chadli

[Moby]

I am a fully paid up member of the 'In Poch we trust' phalanx, yet can't help feeling like there is the possibility of falling significantly behind other teams this year. Leicester kept all but one of their key players and have added more and are about to add even more. And they are decent players too. As we get to the end of the window it is a challenge to see all this cash being spunked by our 'rivals' and having to trust in Winks. Carroll, Carter-Vickers etc. as back ups to our main 14/15 players.

Exactly.

We're so close, but seem to be stalling again. If we could just get in those 2 or so proper key players, or go the other way and just reinforce the squad a lot, even. We are in danger of falling between two stools this window.

But hey, 48 hours left - go surprise me!!

 

[Moby]

We will have to see where we end up. However, this year Manure and Cheat$ki have new head coaches and Klopp has had the chance to make the squad 'his own'. Even Whinger has bought players and yet we have not yet finalized the signing of that geezer from Marseille, who as far as anyone can tell is holed up in a Holiday Inn near Brent Cross, like a footballing Alan Partridge.

Fixed.

 

[DubaiSpur]

I've made that joke myself a couple of times over the last week. The joke being that our owners aren't taking any money out of the club and we are currently undertaking a massive construction project without burdening the club with debt.

Just saw it, yep. Still, the opportunity was there.

The club is relying on loans to fund the stadium, however. A £200 million bridge loan at the least, with the overall loan amount rising to £350 million once the rest of it is secured t a later date. The owners aren't spending their money to build the stadium, they're using the club's own money to build it and then to pay off the loans afterwards. I've accepted it, but it's important to remember that our owners can only be called beneficial in the sense that they're a pair of somewhat competent hands and they aren't *actively* sucking the club dry yet (and, to be fair, seem unlikely to do so in the near future). In terms of infusions, they're far from the type of proactive owners that can truly be called 'benevolent'.

But, returning to Poch being allowed to spend the proceeds of his transfer revenues, I had hoped that would be the case, but we banked the Townsend money in January without spending anything - and if all these sales aren't accompanied by equivalent reinvestment (on more than dirt-cheap N'Koudou, given how much we're evidently trying to bring in), then that's a hollow lie, as much of a lie as that 'transfer spending is ring-fenced from the stadium construction' stuff that Levy came out with earlier.

 

[Lost Mango]

And such a scenario doesn't occur elsewhere? Other clubs don't change owners mid-way through transfers? Just to make a comparison with how other clubs have dealt with Marseille (the same club we're apparently flummoxed by), in the time-period we've been after N'Koudou, other clubs have somehow overcome the *titanic* obstacle of Marseille changing hands and secured Batshuayi, Mendy, Lemina, and Dja-Djedje, with both Batshuayi and Mendy going for fees larger than what we're apparently prepared to pay for Gorgeous.

I stick by my choice of adjectives. Although, having said that, this probably isn't a discussion for the Chadli thread.

The lad has been training with us for the last week apparently so it would seem we have done our side of things and waiting for the new owners to sort the Clinton loan out as part of the deal. As you say not the thread for this.

 

[Rorschach]

No wonder we are not spending. Some bastard has robbed our half constructed stadium!! I sure there was more there the last time I looked.

 

[Robspur12]

Another one of the magnificent 7 gone and I have mixed feelings about Nacer. Scored a lot of good goals and could be a real threat going forward as in the Chelski rout on new years day 2015. But for a big man didn't put himself about enough and was not the hardest working defensively. Still, good luck Nacer you have my best wishes for destroying Chelsea.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Another one of the magnificent 7 gone and I have mixed feelings about Nacer. Scored a lot of good goals and could be a real threat going forward as in the Chelski rout on new years day 2015. But for a big man didn't put himself about enough and was not the hardest working defensively. Still, good luck Nacer you have my best wishes for destroying Chelsea.

My thoughts exactly.
Best of luck Nacer!

 

[glasgowspur]

I am a fully paid up member of the 'In Poch we trust' phalanx, yet can't help feeling like there is the possibility of falling significantly behind other teams this year. Leicester kept all but one of their key players and have added more and are about to add even more. And they are decent players too. As we get to the end of the window it is a challenge to see all this cash being spunked by our 'rivals' and having to trust in Winks. Carroll, Carter-Vickers etc. as back ups to our main 14/15 players.

Yes Leicester have bought some decent players, but surely we want better than decent? The players we are selling are decent, that's why we are selling them, decent isn't good enough to get where want to be.
As for the fees for these decent players, imagine the melt down on here if we payed those fees for decent players.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Yes Leicester have bought some decent players, but surely we want better than decent? The players we are selling are decent, that's why we are selling them, decent isn't good enough to get where want to be.
As for the fees for these decent players, imagine the melt down on here if we payed those fees for decent players.

Our incomings so far have also been 'decent', though. N'Koudou isn't exactly Bale reincarnate, Janssen's looked bright but hasn't scored, and Wanyama's been..decent, but nothing inspiring. If we had a habit of signing expensive, world-class players to go up the levels and achieve our ambitions then you'd have a point, but we don't do that - at best we sign class players that have been undervalued for whatever reason (like Toby and Son). So, in lieu of that, maybe more decent players is all we can hope for - and in that eventuality, Leicester's activity may well be a lesson for us to learn.

 

[glasgowspur]

Our incomings so far have also been 'decent', though. N'Koudou isn't exactly Bale reincarnate, Janssen's looked bright but hasn't scored, and Wanyama's been..decent, but nothing inspiring. If we had a habit of signing expensive, world-class players to go up the levels and achieve our ambitions then you'd have a point, but we don't do that - at best we sign class players that have been undervalued for whatever reason (like Toby and Son). So, in lieu of that, maybe more decent players is all we can hope for - and in that eventuality, Leicester's activity may well be a lesson for us to learn.

Good point, I suppose looking on the bright side (well you have to don't you) the fees from those decent players and the squad places may allow us to bring good players.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Our incomings so far have also been 'decent', though. N'Koudou isn't exactly Bale reincarnate, Janssen's looked bright but hasn't scored, and Wanyama's been..decent, but nothing inspiring. If we had a habit of signing expensive, world-class players to go up the levels and achieve our ambitions then you'd have a point, but we don't do that - at best we sign class players that have been undervalued for whatever reason (like Toby and Son). So, in lieu of that, maybe more decent players is all we can hope for - and in that eventuality, Leicester's activity may well be a lesson for us to learn.

But Jansenn looks miles better than the centre forward we had as diver last season - the invisible man
And Wanyama as a holding midfielder has already shown more than Mason/bentelabs or Carroll in that role
We're missing attacking back up I agree

I'd add that Leicester's dealings so far have impressed me. I think they have over paid but they brought some real talent in

 

[metalgear]

Good guy. Hope we have lined up someone better

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[DubaiSpur]

Good point, I suppose looking on the bright side (well you have to don't you) the fees from those decent players and the squad places may allow us to bring good players.

That's true, and it's what I'm hoping for.

But Jansenn looks miles better than the centre forward we had as diver last season - the invisible man
And Wanyama as a holding midfielder has already shown more than Mason/bentelabs or Carroll in that role
We're missing attacking back up I agree

I'd add that Leicester's dealings so far have impressed me. I think they have over paid but they brought some real talent in

Fair enough. I personally think Wanyama's been average in the role we've been playing him in, which is as the distributor/ball-carrier next to Dier - but I recognize that he was bought to be a back-up DM, not to play that role. As for overpaying, it's the nature of the beast - 50% of Prem clubs have broken their transfer records this summer, and some German sporting director was talking quite candidly the other day about the opportunities and pitfalls of English money in the market, saying that he loves it when an English club calls him up because he can tack on 50% to the price of an outgoing player, but also dislikes it when clubs he's trying to buy players from put him off because they're waiting for the same call from a cash-rich English club.

We did it too- we overpaid for Janssen. In another year, a man coming off literally his first year in the Eredivisie (after playing in the Jupiler League in the prior season) wouldn't cost 18.8 million quid.

 

[metalgear]

Lol he is in his 3rd game and deserves a few more if not a season. But imagine being Wanyama for a moment, he'd be like wtf are Kane Eriksen and Alli serious?

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[Spurs7891]

Disappointed we sold Chadli despite not having many options in attack now. Really not sure why we are selling players like Chadli when we have problem signing the players we want. Chadli might have been inconsistent for us, but at least he can be an effective player for us when he is on form. Well, atleast he could have been a better player to bring on than Onomah against Liverpool. He also could have been a very useful squad player for us in CL. He had scored a few crucial goals for us during his time here.

Too bad our Belgium players quota have gone down to 3 now. We should get another Belgium player to fill up our the quota in the team.

 

[paxtonwolf]

tend to agree - if Leicester City are about to spunk £50m, its obvious we are sitting on the TV etc funds and shopping from the bargain shelf. Frustrating as once again we're not building on Champions League qualification.

Exactly, people are wondering where WBA are getting their money from. They got £73m overall for finishing 14th and have chosen to spend some of it, we got £95m for finishing 3rd and have spent a fraction of it

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Our incomings so far have also been 'decent', though. N'Koudou isn't exactly Bale reincarnate, Janssen's looked bright but hasn't scored, and Wanyama's been..decent, but nothing inspiring. If we had a habit of signing expensive, world-class players to go up the levels and achieve our ambitions then you'd have a point, but we don't do that - at best we sign class players that have been undervalued for whatever reason (like Toby and Son). So, in lieu of that, maybe more decent players is all we can hope for - and in that eventuality, Leicester's activity may well be a lesson for us to learn.

But you're implying a too stronger correlation between quality and price. Leicester at some point splashed what? on Kante and Mahrez to go 'up the levels' and even 2 of our best talents (Dier and alli) only cost a mere £5m each.

Poch is (or thinks he is) good at nurturing and developing players (young and old) , so unless he can get someone that is starter material don't be surprised if the 'weak ' bench we've been seeing is actually what Poch wants, as he sees and works with these players and most importantly trusts them.

 

[paxtonwolf]

Disappointed we sold Chadli despite not having many options in attack now. Really not sure why we are selling players like Chadli when we have problem signing the players we want. Chadli might have been inconsistent for us, but at least he can be an effective player for us when he is on form. Well, atleast he could have been a better player to bring on than Onomah against Liverpool. He also could have been a very useful squad player for us in CL. He had scored a few crucial goals for us during his time here.

Too bad our Belgium players quota have gone down to 3 now. We should get another Belgium player to fill up our the quota in the team.

Yannick Carassco please

 

[Bedfordspurs]

But you're implying a too stronger correlation between quality and price. Leicester at some point splashed what? on Kante and Mahrez to go 'up the levels' and even 2 of our best talents (Dier and alli) only cost a mere £5m each.

Poch is (or thinks he is) good at nurturing and developing players (young and old) , so unless he can get someone that is starter material don't be surprised if the 'weak ' bench we've been seeing is actually what Poch wants, as he sees and works with these players and most importantly trusts them.

You have highlighted a big here

I think the price debate is something important as a lot of our success has come with as you say, developing "cheaper" talent and making them better na then more valuable. The quality was clearly there in players like Dier and ALli but it took someone to mould it.

I dont care if we buy a £50m player or a £5m player as long as there better than what we have in the opinion of the manager

 

[Jordinho]

Exactly, people are wondering where WBA are getting their money from. They got £73m overall for finishing 14th and have chosen to spend some of it, we got £95m for finishing 3rd and have spent a fraction of it

We had a wage bill of 110 million, Leicester less than half of that. The spending power of the smaller clubs will drop as their new found wealth is eaten up by increased wages.