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Moussa Sissoko

Danishfurniturelover said:
Or the names it produced were not acted on by the "panel" and they went a different direction which is why he left, I am not bothered by the last week or so of transfer business, I quite like our slow long term approach and am happy for us to finish 4th-8th in the league while we build and pay for the stadium and promote youngsters with one or two signings.

But we know we went after zaha and now Sissoko and I honestly have it on good authority we were looking at Phil Jones, so it all seems a bit odd. It is almost like we decided on a new approach in terms of identifying transfer targets but cant quite give up the old one.
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I still think our reported bid for Zaha could just have been either (a) as a backup option in case Nkoudou didn't come through or (b) to bid and leak it to put pressure on Marseille as we were wrapping up the Nkoudou deal.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I think our desperation and that is what it looks like to me bidding for Zaha and now Sissoko must be part of the reason Mitchell left, I know you could accuse me of adding 2 plus 2 and getting 5, but 2 plus 2 is 4 and that is what I think this is.
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At least we're not as desperate as all the other clubs.


Bravo 15m (he's 33 years old!!)
Sissoko 30m
Marcos Alonso 23m
David Luiz 38m
Pogba 100m
Benteke 32m
Ayew 20m
Slimani 30m
Mane 36m
Bolasie 30m
Wijnaldum 25m
Kante 30m
Mustafi 36m
Stones 47m
 
braineclipse said:
You see desperation?
Pochettino went on a little holiday for deadline day... How desperate could we be?

We wrapped up a couple of deals that were as good as done. Same as every (summer) end of transfer window and deadline day there's loads of rumours, most of them hogwash. We perhaps try to make a steal with a late deal as people are getting desperate. If we can't we're fine anyway.
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The desperation is not aimed at Poch, I find his teams machincal and sometimes a little dull and physical in style of play, but I do like his style of play and I really like him as a manager and wish him to be here a long time.

If you only ever read my posts on the random side of this website then I come across as a drunk and a perv with weird world views, but on the football side, I am know for not quite trusting or being a part of the Levy love in as the rest on here.

I think it is Levy and his love of the last minute deal, AVB(there was a coach I really did not like) even mentioned how he had to turn the phone off on transfer day because of Levy, Redknapp mentioned it to. I surmise it is Levy bulking at doing deals at the start of the summer to try and get it cheap at the end of the window.

We got more then I imagined for Mason, but for every mason the is a Gomes who we do not use for years, pay millions in wages a season and then let go on a free because Levy is so desperate to gain back what we pay, like wise if we really wanted the lad from Saudi Sportswashing Machine why not get him at the start of the window so he gets a pre season with Poch, those extra few weeks would make all the difference getting up to speed.

The issue I have is for Levy and his love of a "deal" which effects our season planning every summer.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The desperation is not aimed at Poch, I find his teams machincal and sometimes a little dull and physical in style of play, but I do like his style of play and I really like him as a manager and wish him to be here a long time.

If you only ever read my posts on the random side of this website then I come across as a drunk and a perv with weird world views, but on the football side, I am know for not quite trusting or being a part of the Levy love in as the rest on here.

I think it is Levy and his love of the last minute deal, AVB(there was a coach I really did not like) even mentioned how he had to turn the phone off on transfer day because of Levy, Redknapp mentioned it to. I surmise it is Levy bulking at doing deals at the start of the summer to try and get it cheap at the end of the window.

We got more then I imagined for Mason, but for every mason the is a Gomes who we do not use for years, pay millions in wages a season and then let go on a free because Levy is so desperate to gain back what we pay, like wise if we really wanted the lad from Saudi Sportswashing Machine why not get him at the start of the window so he gets a pre season with Poch, those extra few weeks would make all the difference getting up to speed.

The issue I have is for Levy and his love of a "deal" which effects our season planning every summer.
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I like Levy a lot, but your point about his love of getting a good deal is fair

Sissoko though is the opposite - expensive, however incredibly well suited to Poch's pressing game
 
Jordinho said:
At least we're not as desperate as all the other clubs.


Bravo 15m (he's 33 years old!!)
Sissoko 30m
Marcos Alonso 23m
David Luiz 38m
Pogba 100m
Benteke 32m
Ayew 20m
Slimani 30m
Mane 36m
Bolasie 30m
Wijnaldum 25m
Kante 30m
Mustafi 36m
Stones 47m
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I totally agree and do not want us spending anything like that on any of them, I would be disgusted, the only one on the list would be Wijnaldum but I would put him in the 15m-20m max category.
 
Jordinho said:
At least we're not as desperate as all the other clubs.


Bravo 15m (he's 33 years old!!)
Sissoko 30m
Marcos Alonso 23m
David Luiz 38m
Pogba 100m
Benteke 32m
Ayew 20m
Slimani 30m
Mane 36m
Bolasie 30m
Wijnaldum 25m
Kante 30m
Mustafi 36m
Stones 47m
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mane could end up being a good signing all things considered, maybe mustafi too

ironically, the one deal there which I think offers the best ROI is Pogba
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The desperation is not aimed at Poch, I find his teams machincal and sometimes a little dull and physical in style of play, but I do like his style of play and I really like him as a manager and wish him to be here a long time.

If you only ever read my posts on the random side of this website then I come across as a drunk and a perv with weird world views, but on the football side, I am know for not quite trusting or being a part of the Levy love in as the rest on here.

I think it is Levy and his love of the last minute deal, AVB(there was a coach I really did not like) even mentioned how he had to turn the phone off on transfer day because of Levy, Redknapp mentioned it to. I surmise it is Levy bulking at doing deals at the start of the summer to try and get it cheap at the end of the window.

We got more then I imagined for Mason, but for every mason the is a Gomes who we do not use for years, pay millions in wages a season and then let go on a free because Levy is so desperate to gain back what we pay, like wise if we really wanted the lad from Saudi Sportswashing Machine why not get him at the start of the window so he gets a pre season with Poch, those extra few weeks would make all the difference getting up to speed.

The issue I have is for Levy and his love of a "deal" which effects our season planning every summer.
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But if we were really desperate for signings towards the end of this window do you really think Pochettino would have gone away?

That for me indicates very strongly that we're calm and composed going into the last couple of days and that everything that's being done is fairly planned out. Not really looking for a whole Levy thing. Just reacted to the description of what's going on tonight. How could this be desperation?
 
braineclipse said:
But if we were really desperate for signings towards the end of this window do you really think Pochettino would have gone away?

That for me indicates very strongly that we're calm and composed going into the last couple of days and that everything that's being done is fairly planned out. Not really looking for a whole Levy thing. Just reacted to the description of what's going on tonight. How could this be desperation?
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I would suggest if we are looking to do any deals tonight then purely by my definition of desperate in the transfer market it would be it. Get the deals done early, this is not about money of me wanting to sign someone, it is the whole doing a deal at the last minute.

Was it us one year that failed to do a deal because a fax machine broke? I am sure it was us one year, can not remember who the player was, i am getting old and do not remember things all the time, years seem to roll into others.
 
harr1984 said:
Shirt sales will pay for that signing itself...
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No, it won't. You could argue they're just doing what's expected from their sponsors though.

Shirt sales alone do not pay for a superstar’s transfer fee

No club has ever directly recouped a player’s transfer fee through shirt sales. Adidas, Nike, Puma and other kit suppliers get 85-90% of shirt sale revenue and this is the industry standard.

While there are some exceptions – a club such as Bayern Munich, which is part-owned by Adidas, may be given a slightly more favourable revenue share, and generally, once a certain (very large) number of shirts are sold, the revenue split on additional sales will skew more favourably to the club – these are the exceptions to the general rule.

As an example, Manchester United have a 10-year kit deal with Adidas worth £750m. This is one of the largest kit deals in football and easily the largest in the Premier League. However, the primary reason Adidas is paying Manchester United £75m per year is not simply to have a tiny logo emblazoned on United’s kit and use the club for marketing purposes. Of course, being associated with one of the few truly global clubs in football helps them capture market share in emerging markets and further solidify its presence in existing markets. But for the supplier, kit deals are licensing deals, and that’s where the real value lies to Adidas.

Football clubs are, by nature, football clubs. They’re meant to do football things. They don’t have the infrastructure required to manufacture and distribute millions of kits. Many can’t even handle running online shops, the logistics of which they outsource to third parties.

For any cynical readers who may not be so inclined to take our word for it – after all, it is a popular myth – just look at how United and Adidas announced the deal in July 2014, where the partnership is described, quite clearly, as a licensing package. In fact, Adidas CEO Herbert Hainer triumphed the deal as a “collaboration [that] marks a milestone for us when it comes to merchandising potential. We expect total sales to reach £1.5bn during the duration of our partnership.”

Despite the nonsense you may have heard about Zlatan Ibrahimovic shirt sales generating £50m for Manchester United, which would far exceed his wages, it’s simply not true. In fact, United don’t even automatically receive the 10-15% industry-standard royalty payment, no doubt because the up-front £75m annual payment is so large. United’s royalty payment only kicks in once a certain number of shirts are sold.

Just under three million Manchester United shirts were sold last season. As a case in point, let’s assume that Ibrahimovic helps sell an additional 300,000 shirts. A 10% increase is a very optimistic projection, especially considering Ibrahimovic is a Nike athlete and won’t be engaging in any Adidas promotional activities on his own. His image rights deal with United will almost certainly allow the club to feature him in Adidas promotional activities, as long as he appears with at least two other United players and the activity does not imply that Ibrahimovic is giving a personal endorsement to Adidas.

Additionally, while many United fans may choose to buy an Ibrahmovic shirt, over, say, a Chris Smalling shirt, a lot of those fans were already going to buy a shirt in the first place.

Let’s also assume that United’s royalty kicks in after three million shirts are sold, and the club receive a 15% royalty on each subsequent shirt sold. Assuming a price of £70 per shirt, that’s an additional £21m in gross sales from 300,000 shirts. Manchester United’s cut of that would be just over £3m. Now, £3m is not an insignificant amount, but it offsets less than 20% of what Ibrahimovic will likely cost the club this season (wages, agent fee, signing bonus, image rights deal).

So, at best, United are likely to see around £3m in additional revenue. While certainly not a paltry sum, it doesn’t come close to covering his costs, let alone help United earn an additional £50m. Put simply, there’s a reason why Adidas has earned more in the last six months than Manchester United, one of the highest-earning football clubs in the world, has earned in its 138-year existence.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I would suggest if we are looking to do any deals tonight then purely by my definition of desperate in the transfer market it would be it. Get the deals done early, this is not about money of me wanting to sign someone, it is the whole doing a deal at the last minute.

Was it us one year that failed to do a deal because a fax machine broke? I am sure it was us one year, can not remember who the player was, i am getting old and do not remember things all the time, years seem to roll into others.
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Some very good deals can be done on deadline day so we're there sniffing around looking for deals that otherwise couldn't be made. If they don't come off we have a good squad already and no big deal. If a good value deal can be made then even better... We're not Harry Redknapp panic buying on deadline day.

Exactly that we're not willing to pay over the top for a player like Sissoko indicates to me that we're far from desperate. We tried. Everton are kind of desperate and outbid us so we couldn't twist Saudi Sportswashing Machine's arm. Never mind, move on.
 
I think we make bids based on what we view as the value to us, vs alternatives already in the squad and elsewhere in the market.

Eg Zaha was 14...Maybe we truly feel that if we took advantage of some contract situation and got him for that, he'd be a good signing. For anything more, the calculation was to give youngsters a go.

Maybe Sissons value is 25 to us and if we can't agree, we are totally happy with it. I think (hope) we are thinking for the long term, and that Levy isn't going to pressure Poch unduly given we haven't made certain signings. I hope there is leeway of let's say 1st-7th each season given how much competition there is, but as long as we are competitive, looking well drilled and bringing talent through, we'll end up where we deserve to be. Long term, it doesn't really matter that we make one signing on deadline day or not. We'll likely be in the CL or Europa regardless and thats what we can ask for. There's so much competition now that there's no point thinking we should at least be top4, or 3...
 
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