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Mousa Dembele

Robspur12 said:
Typical that we protect our players for the run in and sacrifice our selves vs Dortmund only to lose players in meaningless friendlies.
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Good point, it would have been better to play against Dortmund, get a slight "Fergie" hamstring strain and sit out the internationals, a much better break. Even if the strain was genuine.
 
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Dembele is so good in one particular category analysed here that he would just skew the rest of the players’ charts completely. Indeed, the 28-year old is so physically imposing both in and out of possession that despite having produced a superb 4.6 tackles per 90 minutes of action he has been dribbled past just 7 times all season. That equates to an average of 13.3 tackles for every time an opponent has been able to round the Spurs midfielder, with his chart display individually above.

To put Dembele’s feat into perspective, the player with the worst rate from the ten midfielders analysed here, Cesc Fabregas, makes just 1.4 tackles for every time he is beaten. Indeed, it’s Kante, Dembele and Gana that stand out by a distance in terms to the Premier League’s most efficient tacklers, as shown by the graphics.

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https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/...-the-Premier-Leagues-Top-Tackling-Midfielders
 
I don't think tackling stats should be considered in isolation. Many great DMs make almost no tackles - they just read the game so well that they just intercept the ball instead. Carrick as one example. Tackles + interceptions give a more complete picture of a midfielder's defensive contribution. This isn't saying Dembele isn't strong defensively.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't think tackling stats should be considered in isolation. Many great DMs make almost no tackles - they just read the game so well that they just intercept the ball instead. Carrick as one example. Tackles + interceptions give a more complete picture of a midfielder's defensive contribution. This isn't saying Dembele isn't strong defensively.
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Indeed.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I don't think tackling stats should be considered in isolation. Many great DMs make almost no tackles - they just read the game so well that they just intercept the ball instead. Carrick as one example. Tackles + interceptions give a more complete picture of a midfielder's defensive contribution. This isn't saying Dembele isn't strong defensively.
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...and Carrick had an ability to provide a very progressive forward pass immediately after. different players and I'm not sure if carrick fits the system that we have now.
 
metalgear said:
...and Carrick had an ability to provide a very progressive forward pass immediately after. different players and I'm not sure if carrick fits the system that we have now.
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No - Poch seems to want alrounders in the CM. Dier is still a decent passer, while even Carroll has good intentions/efforts defensively. Carrick could never press in the way all our current CMs can.

Which makes all these links to elegant deep-lying playmakers like Tielemans, Kovacic and Dahoud even more far-fetched.
 
Gutter Boy said:
No - Poch seems to want alrounders in the CM. Dier is still a decent passer, while even Carroll has good intentions/efforts defensively. Carrick could never press in the way all our current CMs can.

Which makes all these links to elegant deep-lying playmakers like Tielemans, Kovacic and Dahoud even more far-fetched.
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Not saying you are wrong GB, but for me it's still to early in the evolution of pochs team to say that.
The team is ahead of schedule development wise but there is still plenty of room for growth and change. I wouldn't try and second guess where Poch is taking them and how.
 
Gutter Boy said:
No - Poch seems to want alrounders in the CM. Dier is still a decent passer, while even Carroll has good intentions/efforts defensively. Carrick could never press in the way all our current CMs can.

Which makes all these links to elegant deep-lying playmakers like Tielemans, Kovacic and Dahoud even more far-fetched.
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I think Dier is quite a poor passer, probably the weakest in our team. I thought that Arsenal in particular exposed this in the game at WHL a few weeks ago. It's not just his passing, I think his touch is also a little suspect which can make him hurried sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I think Dier's positives outweigh his negatives, but he definitely still needs to work on his control and use of the ball.
 
Gutter Boy said:
No - Poch seems to want alrounders in the CM. Dier is still a decent passer, while even Carroll has good intentions/efforts defensively. Carrick could never press in the way all our current CMs can.

Which makes all these links to elegant deep-lying playmakers like Tielemans, Kovacic and Dahoud even more far-fetched.
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If these players haven't been asked to play a pressing game before then we can't write them off as targets, young players can be moulded afterall, who would have looked at Lamela during his time at Rome and foreseen him becoming the master presser that he is now?
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think Dier is quite a poor passer, probably the weakest in our team. I thought that Arsenal in particular exposed this in the game at WHL a few weeks ago. It's not just his passing, I think his touch is also a little suspect which can make him hurried sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I think Dier's positives outweigh his negatives, but he definitely still needs to work on his control and use of the ball.
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I posted a link to an article in the Poch thread looking at our counterpressing game that basically drew the same conclusions and made the same point about the Arsenal game.
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think Dier is quite a poor passer, probably the weakest in our team. I thought that Arsenal in particular exposed this in the game at WHL a few weeks ago. It's not just his passing, I think his touch is also a little suspect which can make him hurried sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I think Dier's positives outweigh his negatives, but he definitely still needs to work on his control and use of the ball.
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I have no doubts that Poch works on the weaker elements of every player's game and that Dier will improve. He's still in only his second Premier League season and his first in midfield, so once he strengthens the weak areas he will be even more of a beast,
 
billyiddo said:
If these players haven't been asked to play a pressing game before then we can't write them off as targets, young players can be moulded afterall, who would have looked at Lamela during his time at Rome and foreseen him becoming the master presser that he is now?
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Exactly and Tielemans for example is still a kid in footballing terms with scope for improvement
 
Finney Is Back said:
I think Dier is quite a poor passer, probably the weakest in our team. I thought that Arsenal in particular exposed this in the game at WHL a few weeks ago. It's not just his passing, I think his touch is also a little suspect which can make him hurried sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I think Dier's positives outweigh his negatives, but he definitely still needs to work on his control and use of the ball.
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I've noticed his all round game had a little bit of a dip for a spell and his passing radar was certainly off. However I do think he's turned that around again and been better of late. Not sure if the stats would show that fact but that's what I thought watching him. Maybe he is just trying simpler passes in the last few matches.

Slightly off topic but in that Arsenal match you mention Dembele's pass completion rate was 97%, which equated to 1 missplaced pass.
 
Rorschach said:
I've noticed his all round game had a little bit of a dip for a spell and his passing radar was certainly off. However I do think he's turned that around again and been better of late. Not sure if the stats would show that fact but that's what I thought watching him. Maybe he is just trying simpler passes in the last few matches.

Slightly off topic but in that Arsenal match you mention Dembele's pass completion rate was 97%, which equated to 1 missplaced pass.
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I only wish the Moose had tracked Sanchez properly from that deep seam!!!! Still, small stuff, the man has been absolutely immense and is a vital part of what we do.
 
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