Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
I would be surprised if there is a clause.
-
Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara
Max Aarons
- Thread starter AjaxDeSuperYids
- Start date
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Why?
Its not uncommon to have breaks in the contract based on relegation.
I wouldnt be at all surprised if there was some sort of catch in the deal should they go down, no doubt in context of "bids of £XXX"
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Because he's a 19-year old and not an established player coming to a team fighting relegation. Would be a bit rich of him to ask for one and if I were the club's management, I wouldn't accept it.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Or he is a highly rated, highly coveted young player at a club with a fair chance of going down.
Knowing he is in a position of relative strength he can ask for considerations in the event of relegation.
Its a contract negotiation, not dictation.
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Probably one that cuts his wages too!
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Or he is a 19-year old who had one good season in the Championship and still lacks the clout to make such a demand.
Even if they go down, he'll still be 20, and another year in the Championship won't hurt him. If anything, not having such a clause in his contract would make the club's bargaining position stronger.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Or he is a 19-year old who had one good season in the Championship and still lacks the clout to make such a demand.
Even if they go down, he'll still be 20, and another year in the Championship won't hurt him. If anything, not having such a clause in his contract would make the club's bargaining position stronger.
What does his age have to do with anything, he is an in demand player - thats all the "clout" he needs.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
If he's that in demand (I didn't read a ton of rumors about clubs coming in after him, just that he's highly rated), then he shouldn't need the clause.
And not only do I find it odd that a 19-year old who had one good season in the Championship would be able to command such a clause, but as I mentioned earlier, it makes Norwich's bargaining position stronger should they get relegated. It's not like a struggling PL team who tries to lure a good player to help them stay up, in which case the player can command a release clause if the team gets relegated.
Tell you what, I'll ask for a copy of his contract and we can go over it.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I find it very odd how absolute you are about all this, or why you are so hung up on his age and having a season in the Championship (italics for effect? Really?)
So far this window he has been heavily linked with Utd, Us and Palace. Sure Ive seen others. We know very well we have a long standing interest since at least the Jan window.
He is a young player, on an upward trajectory, being offered a new contract.
It is perfectly reasonable he look for a clause to allow him to continue at a PL level should Norwich go down.
Just as its perfectly reasonable for Norwich to agree to it on the proviso of a minimum value for them to sell him.
Its really not a big deal. And its nothing to do with some youngster getting above their station or anything like it.
So far this window he has been heavily linked with Utd, Us and Palace. Sure Ive seen others. We know very well we have a long standing interest since at least the Jan window.
He is a young player, on an upward trajectory, being offered a new contract.
It is perfectly reasonable he look for a clause to allow him to continue at a PL level should Norwich go down.
Just as its perfectly reasonable for Norwich to agree to it on the proviso of a minimum value for them to sell him.
Its really not a big deal. And its nothing to do with some youngster getting above their station or anything like it.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
BUT HES 19 AND ONLY HAD ONE SEASON IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
I'm about as absolute about this as you are that there is a release clause.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
"More likely". Yes, very absolute in what he should and shouldnt be able to ask for, what with him being only 19 having had a single season in the championship...
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Actually it is pretty uncommon. Very few contracts are negotiated with a relegation clause to allow a player to leave. The most common relegation clauses inserted into contracts are usually in favour of the club and not the player, typically enabling them to decrease the player's wage in the event of a relegation.
Indeed my Dad negotiated literally 100s of contracts for players. I don't think he ever managed to insert a single 'must sell for X in event of relegation' clause, whereas there were a fair few contracts that involved wage reductions for the players in event of relegation.
Last edited:
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
When was the last time your dad negotiated a contract? Is he still working?
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The last contract that he was main negotiator for was probably about 8 years ago now. However he has remained involved in an advisory role since then (and indeed still is now).
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
So would you consider his experience to be "up to date"?
It seems to me, at least from an outside in point of view, contracts are ever more nuanced and players (agents!) ever more savvy.
Things like release clauses are more and more common, or at least "player needs to be notified if offer of X comes in" type clauses, the idea of a break on relegation - particularly for someone like Aarons who is young and highly rated - just sounds sensible to me.
Of course there is always the dreaded "gentlemens agreement" in lieu of an official clause...
It seems to me, at least from an outside in point of view, contracts are ever more nuanced and players (agents!) ever more savvy.
Things like release clauses are more and more common, or at least "player needs to be notified if offer of X comes in" type clauses, the idea of a break on relegation - particularly for someone like Aarons who is young and highly rated - just sounds sensible to me.
Of course there is always the dreaded "gentlemens agreement" in lieu of an official clause...
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Yes his knowledge and experience is very much up to date. If it wasn't then he wouldn't still be getting called upon and asked to get involved. He is 'retired' now but is still requested to inspect player contracts (for both club contracts and commercial deals) quite regularly by a number of different agencies.
A 'relegation clause' is nothing new. They are just very rare....
Consider the case of Max Aarons in particular. He still had 3 years left on his existing deal that he only signed earlier this season. Let's make a guess that his previous deal saw him earning £15k a week and make a guess that Norwich have probably doubled his money on his new 5 year contract to £30k a week after promotion and him winning the EFL young player of the year award. Now Aarons' agent could well ask for a relegation clause as part of the negotiation - perhaps one where Norwich would have to accept any bid over £20 million for the player, but why on earth would Norwich agree to that?.... Sure the agent could then inform Norwich that his client won't sign their new deal, but all that leaves is Aarons still having 3 years left on his contract but earning £780,000 a year less than he would've been for those 3 years. If Aarons were to get injured or prove a flash in the pan then the biggest contract he would ever get to sign in his life would be worth £2.3 million as opposed to £7.8 million if taking the new offer. Of course the agent will try his luck, but Norwich would say no and it would be IMO a very poor agent who then advised his client not to sign the new deal on offer in that event.
Last edited: