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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Those players aren't relevant in this context: none of them got to the position that Eriksen is currently, i.e. got to a position whereby they had a year left during a summer window.
Since Sol BleepBall, how many of our key players have ENIC/Levy allowed to get their contract down to only a year left AND NOT sold them?
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
Source is clip of an interview with him today on TalkSPORT. He said he’s part of a project and he is helping the players at Tottenham to improve every day but if something were to happen it would cost a lot of money as he is under contract. I’m paraphrasing but that’s the full gist, I think.
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
I think we all hope, he can see that its a really bad time to take over at Real, He can hide behind the "Levy wont let me go" Hopefully for another 18 - 30 months, allowing the minor rebuild we require over next 6 months
thfcsteff
George Hunt
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Is there ever a good time to take over at Real? Due to the nature of the beast they are always going through some upheaval. I think this ‘bad time’ to manage Real is over egged tbh...
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
So what are you saying, let contracts run down to where players have us over a barrel and then don't take what cash we can to replace them?
We can't make players sign, and we certainly shouldn't be offering any more than is prudent.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Absolutely; i'm just saying you cannot compare the situations of the 3 you mentioned to Eriksen's current position and that we should be prepared for him to be sold if we don't get him to sign an extension by the summer...
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
I think that would be sensible, not what we want and imo unlikely, but if he doesn't sign soon we have to move him on.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
Nice to see Martin Samuel flying in the face of prevailing opinion about Pochettino:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...aters-Mauricio-Pochettino-stay-Tottenham.html
For Tottenham, for Mauricio Pochettino, this is a moment in time. That’s all it is.
The embarrassing state of the Wembley pitch against Emirates Marketing Project, the empty upper tier, the tumbleweed transfer window, the travails at home and in Europe. It is a snapshot of one difficult season, no more.
Obviously, it is frustrating: but it is still not the reason to jump ship for Real Madrid.
If Tottenham were stuck in the era of selling their best players each year, that would be different; if Pochettino felt Daniel Levy had deliberately misled him over the new stadium, and always knew Tottenham would be at Wembley for the best part of two years, he would be right to feel betrayed; and if the club had not tried to do transfer business this summer, Pochettino could rightly claim his best advice was ignored.
Yet none of that is happening.
Tottenham have made mistakes, yes; the club have suffered misfortune beyond their control, true. But the project exists, visible and viable, with Pochettino integral to it.
Could the same be said of Real Madrid? No.
Pochettino would be just another hired hand, passing through. If it didn’t work he could be gone in months, like Julen Lopetegui.
Even if it did work, Madrid’s standards are impossibly demanding. Zinedine Zidane lasted just under two-and-a-half years, in which he won the Champions League three times, and still had to withstand speculation about his job.
Madrid are manager eaters. Since the departure of Vicente del Bosque in 2003, they have had 14, only three of whom have made it past 100 matches, with only two more lasting past 50.
Tottenham cannot afford to be wanton. With the changes the club are making, they need stability, they need a coach with vision and faith in young talent.
Pochettino is perfect for them, the way Arsene Wenger was for Arsenal two decades ago.
It just requires patience to get through this year.
Maybe Pochettino does not fancy the longest of long terms.
+9
Real Madrid are keen for him to replace Julen Lopetegui but Los Blancos are manager eaters
For a foreign coach, Wenger’s shift at Arsenal was unique. But even short term, there is still so much to do. Win a trophy, obviously. In its own way, it is surprising that serially successful Madrid are so keen on a manager who has a record of improving teams, without receiving that ultimate vindication.
Yet there is more to the Tottenham project than just that. The club must be guided to their new stadium and settled in. They need a manager who understands the singular demands. Pochettino is that man, in a way he could never be at the Bernabeu.
Real Madrid do not have a plan beyond winning everything. And if the manager can’t win everything, the manager goes.
The gloom that surrounds Tottenham for now isn’t permanent. It is not as if they are going to be playing on an NFL pitch in front of empty seats 12 months from now. This is one setback — albeit hardly a small one — in what has otherwise been an extraordinarily positive journey.
Pochettino spoke of being at a low ebb coming into this week, but only heightened expectations have made that so.
By now, he hoped to be in a new stadium, with new players, and challenging for the title. So he’s disappointed. But Madrid can leave a man unfulfilled too.
Ask Julen Lopetegui, and a queue of others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...aters-Mauricio-Pochettino-stay-Tottenham.html
For Tottenham, for Mauricio Pochettino, this is a moment in time. That’s all it is.
The embarrassing state of the Wembley pitch against Emirates Marketing Project, the empty upper tier, the tumbleweed transfer window, the travails at home and in Europe. It is a snapshot of one difficult season, no more.
Obviously, it is frustrating: but it is still not the reason to jump ship for Real Madrid.
If Tottenham were stuck in the era of selling their best players each year, that would be different; if Pochettino felt Daniel Levy had deliberately misled him over the new stadium, and always knew Tottenham would be at Wembley for the best part of two years, he would be right to feel betrayed; and if the club had not tried to do transfer business this summer, Pochettino could rightly claim his best advice was ignored.
Yet none of that is happening.
Tottenham have made mistakes, yes; the club have suffered misfortune beyond their control, true. But the project exists, visible and viable, with Pochettino integral to it.
Could the same be said of Real Madrid? No.
Pochettino would be just another hired hand, passing through. If it didn’t work he could be gone in months, like Julen Lopetegui.
Even if it did work, Madrid’s standards are impossibly demanding. Zinedine Zidane lasted just under two-and-a-half years, in which he won the Champions League three times, and still had to withstand speculation about his job.
Madrid are manager eaters. Since the departure of Vicente del Bosque in 2003, they have had 14, only three of whom have made it past 100 matches, with only two more lasting past 50.
Tottenham cannot afford to be wanton. With the changes the club are making, they need stability, they need a coach with vision and faith in young talent.
Pochettino is perfect for them, the way Arsene Wenger was for Arsenal two decades ago.
It just requires patience to get through this year.
Maybe Pochettino does not fancy the longest of long terms.
+9
Real Madrid are keen for him to replace Julen Lopetegui but Los Blancos are manager eaters
For a foreign coach, Wenger’s shift at Arsenal was unique. But even short term, there is still so much to do. Win a trophy, obviously. In its own way, it is surprising that serially successful Madrid are so keen on a manager who has a record of improving teams, without receiving that ultimate vindication.
Yet there is more to the Tottenham project than just that. The club must be guided to their new stadium and settled in. They need a manager who understands the singular demands. Pochettino is that man, in a way he could never be at the Bernabeu.
Real Madrid do not have a plan beyond winning everything. And if the manager can’t win everything, the manager goes.
The gloom that surrounds Tottenham for now isn’t permanent. It is not as if they are going to be playing on an NFL pitch in front of empty seats 12 months from now. This is one setback — albeit hardly a small one — in what has otherwise been an extraordinarily positive journey.
Pochettino spoke of being at a low ebb coming into this week, but only heightened expectations have made that so.
By now, he hoped to be in a new stadium, with new players, and challenging for the title. So he’s disappointed. But Madrid can leave a man unfulfilled too.
Ask Julen Lopetegui, and a queue of others.
greatwhitenorf
Edgar Davids
It's not often Martin Samuel is standing up for Spurs. Good perspective in that piece.
Would love for someone to read that to Jamie Carragher or Gary Neville.
Would love for someone to read that to Jamie Carragher or Gary Neville.
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Funny isn't it. Those two were all over us until just recently. But no sooner do we enter a spell when several of our lynchpin players are either injured (Dele. Eriksen, Vertonghen) or suffering a dip in form (Lloris, Toby, Dier, Kane) than the knives come out. And that after a narrow 0-1 defeat to a team that has hired the world's best club manager and spunked a nett £500m more on players.
C'est la vie.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
To be honest, I thought Neville and Carragher both made some good points about us. Couldn’t disagree with much of what either said even though they managed to disagree hugely with each other.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
He is a West Ham fab so even less likely to talk positive of us
It’s a decent piece though
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
As per that Samuel article:
Madrid are manager eaters. Since the departure of Vicente del Bosque in 2003, they have had 14, only three of whom have made it past 100 matches, with only two more lasting past 50.
This is it in a nutshell for me. And, also, right now they need a rebuild. Nobody is walking into that club with prime Ronaldo, Ramos etc to carry them. Its an ageing side in need of a rebuild - and at Madrid that is a COMPLICATED job!
What a wonderfully sensible article. If only the press put a bit more thought into what they write, like this, more often.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Former club president Calderon on the Madrid situation:
On Conte:
"He's asked for three years and to come in with five people and have hands free for signings and transfers," Calderon told BBC Radio 5 live's Football Daily Euro Leagues Show.
"But that's something the president [Florentino Perez] isn't willing to accept."
"I don't think Antonio Conte will be the coach the Bernabeu is expecting. He's like Jose Mourinho - a defensive coach with normally three centre-backs playing counter-attacking football.
"That's not what Real Madrid expect to see. The president tried this before with Mourinho. They didn't win the Champions League and he left the club in a bad situation."
On other options:
"I'd like Roberto Martinez but he has an existing contract with Belgium. Pochettino also has one with Tottenham," Calderon said.
"The president has got in touch with many people like Martinez, Pochettino, Conte, Mourinho.
"Mourinho is the only coach that the president has respected or backed even though he did many wrong things in my opinion. He is a coach who is always blaming others for his failures.
"If Mourinho was free now, he'd be here - you can be completely sure. Conte has been the one to be in the crosshairs of the president but he knows what happens here. He's reluctant."
Calderon does not think Arsene Wenger, who stepped down this summer after 22 years as Arsenal boss, would be interested in taking over because of the way the president runs the club.
"He interferes in the line-up," said Calderon of Perez - a man he frequently criticises publicly.
"He decides the signings because of his whims. There's no football director.
"He's remodelling the stadium and spending 600m euros in doing that. Nobody was complaining about the stadium. That's why we cannot sign any players - no big players are going to come in for less than 200m euros these days.
"Wenger could be another contender but he works in long-term planning and that's not the case at Real Madrid now."
On why previous managers were successful:
"We've won the last six Champions Leagues with coaches like Del Bosque, Ancelotti and Zidane - coaches that were top players and knew what it was like to be in a dressing room full of stars because they were one of them," said Calderon.
"So what they did was not to be very complacent with players but motivate them. They would not be protagonists and would stay in the background. [The key is] to motivate them and put out the fire when the egos are appearing in the dressing room. Sometimes when you have very big, top players you need to work in a different way.
"That didn't happen with Mourinho or Benitez, it's not a matter of a firm hand. The players know what to do on the pitch."
So basically, as expected:
- Short termist nature
- Players bought on the presidents say, not managers
- No desire to build/commit longer term
- Players hold the power
- High expectation under baffling conditions
- Demands of an attacking football style
Honestly, as massive a club as Madrid is, I wonder why anyone would go there.
On Conte:
"He's asked for three years and to come in with five people and have hands free for signings and transfers," Calderon told BBC Radio 5 live's Football Daily Euro Leagues Show.
"But that's something the president [Florentino Perez] isn't willing to accept."
"I don't think Antonio Conte will be the coach the Bernabeu is expecting. He's like Jose Mourinho - a defensive coach with normally three centre-backs playing counter-attacking football.
"That's not what Real Madrid expect to see. The president tried this before with Mourinho. They didn't win the Champions League and he left the club in a bad situation."
On other options:
"I'd like Roberto Martinez but he has an existing contract with Belgium. Pochettino also has one with Tottenham," Calderon said.
"The president has got in touch with many people like Martinez, Pochettino, Conte, Mourinho.
"Mourinho is the only coach that the president has respected or backed even though he did many wrong things in my opinion. He is a coach who is always blaming others for his failures.
"If Mourinho was free now, he'd be here - you can be completely sure. Conte has been the one to be in the crosshairs of the president but he knows what happens here. He's reluctant."
Calderon does not think Arsene Wenger, who stepped down this summer after 22 years as Arsenal boss, would be interested in taking over because of the way the president runs the club.
"He interferes in the line-up," said Calderon of Perez - a man he frequently criticises publicly.
"He decides the signings because of his whims. There's no football director.
"He's remodelling the stadium and spending 600m euros in doing that. Nobody was complaining about the stadium. That's why we cannot sign any players - no big players are going to come in for less than 200m euros these days.
"Wenger could be another contender but he works in long-term planning and that's not the case at Real Madrid now."
On why previous managers were successful:
"We've won the last six Champions Leagues with coaches like Del Bosque, Ancelotti and Zidane - coaches that were top players and knew what it was like to be in a dressing room full of stars because they were one of them," said Calderon.
"So what they did was not to be very complacent with players but motivate them. They would not be protagonists and would stay in the background. [The key is] to motivate them and put out the fire when the egos are appearing in the dressing room. Sometimes when you have very big, top players you need to work in a different way.
"That didn't happen with Mourinho or Benitez, it's not a matter of a firm hand. The players know what to do on the pitch."
So basically, as expected:
- Short termist nature
- Players bought on the presidents say, not managers
- No desire to build/commit longer term
- Players hold the power
- High expectation under baffling conditions
- Demands of an attacking football style
Honestly, as massive a club as Madrid is, I wonder why anyone would go there.
Tbf for the stature,the money, the opportunity to win everything in the game, to work with the best players in the World? Its not like managers with good reps struggle to get a job after Real Madrid - everyone recognises its arguably the toughest job out there, so its not a massive negative if you've been fired by Madrid.
What concerns me is the open admission that the President has got in touch with Poch. I know these things happen discreetly behind the scenes, but for it to be blatantly admitted in public annoys me for some reason....
What concerns me is the open admission that the President has got in touch with Poch. I know these things happen discreetly behind the scenes, but for it to be blatantly admitted in public annoys me for some reason....
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Same set of circumstances at United, City, Chelsea, Barca, PSG etc.