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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Bedfordspurs said:
I can't commen on the ages of everyone on here but I'm 39!!!

This is comfortably the strongest Spurs TEAM I've seen since 87 and it's probably better than that as everything is spread across the side (defence and attack)
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51 and it is the strongest team in my time, in the past we had some good players but we always seemed to rely on the good players playing well. Now we are a team.
 
milo said:
I doubt that we will see an immediate influx of cash as soon as the stadium is finished. I would have also thought that if Poch's methods had been successful enough for him to still be with us when it opens, we are unlikely to change track after.
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The real challenge we have over the next couple years with spending bugger all on players is that the TV money is increasing sharply so other PL teams can buy better players from abroad (eg Stoke / Imbulla / £18m) making it harder for teams which stand still. Maybe getting CL qualification this year will save us as its not something which we would have budgeted for but I am really concerned about the next 2-3 seasons
 
AdamB said:
The real challenge we have over the next couple years with spending bugger all on players is that the TV money is increasing sharply so other PL teams can buy better players from abroad (eg Stoke / Imbulla / £18m) making it harder for teams which stand still. Maybe getting CL qualification this year will save us as its not something which we would have budgeted for but I am really concerned about the next 2-3 seasons
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I don't think we need to worry. Look at Leicester, their side cost circa £22m!!!! Amazing. Time and again we see that cash does not guarantee transfer success. Splurging money as Liverpool do (and they and us are not in a position to buy the elite players) doesn't work.

With our squad made up of good value players and youth graduates, we should be able to add a handful of key players to the team each summer. That will be the aim now - signing one or two key players who can make a difference.
 
i think the current squad have their contracts covering the next 2-3 seasons so no worries there.

the new stadium, revenue streams and inevitable new expectations will be when i would start to get worried.

getting regular champions league from now til then could ease the transition though. from what I've seen levy, poch and team have what it takes to get us there.
 
AdamB said:
The real challenge we have over the next couple years with spending bugger all on players is that the TV money is increasing sharply so other PL teams can buy better players from abroad (eg Stoke / Imbulla / £18m) making it harder for teams which stand still. Maybe getting CL qualification this year will save us as its not something which we would have budgeted for but I am really concerned about the next 2-3 seasons
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If we can produce one or two player who graduate from the academy to the first team squad each season then we can insulate ourselves against that a little.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I don't think we need to worry. Look at Leicester, their side cost circa £22m!!!! Amazing. Time and again we see that cash does not guarantee transfer success. Splurging money as Liverpool do (and they and us are not in a position to buy the elite players) doesn't work.

With our squad made up of good value players and youth graduates, we should be able to add a handful of key players to the team each summer. That will be the aim now - signing one or two key players who can make a difference.
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Leicester topping the table one February does not disprove that more often than not the final league placings follow wage expenditure. The likelihood is that we will be back to business as usual next season.
 
milo said:
Leicester topping the table one February does not disprove that more often than not the final league placings follow wage expenditure. The likelihood is that we will be back to business as usual next season.
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What Leicester and Spurs show you is that you can find players that are decent value for money. We make money on transfers and develop youth players, so we should have sufficient funds left to invest in key players, despite the stadium.

With the democratisation of big bucks across PL teams, those that can uncover or identify players and then bring them on will do well. At the moment that's Southampton, Leicester, us. Buying ready made players, after top European teams have had their pick, is a flawed model. As Pool are finding out.
 
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AdamB said:
The real challenge we have over the next couple years with spending bugger all on players is that the TV money is increasing sharply so other PL teams can buy better players from abroad (eg Stoke / Imbulla / £18m) making it harder for teams which stand still. Maybe getting CL qualification this year will save us as its not something which we would have budgeted for but I am really concerned about the next 2-3 seasons
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For the last 2 years at least (including the WC) teams have been winning out majorly over collections of supposedly superior individuals

Also the EPL is generally declining in quality compared to the Spanish, German and Italian leagues. Factor in the Chinese league wages too.

Basically I don't think there's any danger from credit card clubs if we keep to our model.
 
SpurMeUp said:
What Leicester and Spurs show you is that you can find players that are decent value for money. We make money on transfers and develop youth player, so we should have sufficient funds to invest in key players despite the stadium.

With the democratisation of big bucks across PL teams, those that can uncover or identify players and then bring them on will do well. At the moment that's Southampton, Leicester, us. Buying ready made players, after top European teams have had their pick, is a flawed model. As Pool are finding out.
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I think that we need to see a similar situation play out over a few seasons before we draw too many conclusions. I would not be surprised if the league went back to following the size of wage bill next season.
 
I can't wait until we go through a small rough patch .... you lot will forget all of this applause
 
Gazza said:
I can't wait until we go through a small rough patch .... you lot will forget all of this applause
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Speak for yourself! :p

We've had a couple of bumps in the two home losses and bounced back brilliantly. No hangover, no loss of confidence, just stuck to the plan.

If we got on Poch's back or the team's back after the season we're having then we wouldn't bloody deserve either of them.

I'd hope that Poch has enough credit in the bank of goodwill that we could all see past a blip.
 
milo said:
I think that we need to see a similar situation play out over a few seasons before we draw too many conclusions. I would not be surprised if the league went back to following the size of wage bill next season.
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We are each talking about different things. You that wages normally correlate with league position. Me that transfer fees don't have to correlate with talent. Using Leicester, Southampton and Spurs as case studies vs say Pool and City. While there is a correlation with wages, looking at those 5 clubs, you couldn't say the same for transfer fees could you?

Teams that can identify promise, and then develop players have been outperforming those that buy ready made, certainly this season, and Spurs have been doing it for a number of years.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
We are each talking about different things. You that wages normally correlate with league position. Me that transfer fees don't have to correlate with talent. Using Leicester, Southampton and Spurs as case studies vs say Pool and City. While there is a correlation with wages, looking at those 5 clubs, you couldn't say the same for transfer fees could you?

Teams that can identify promise, and then develop players have been outperforming those that buy ready made certainly this season, and Spurs have been doing it for a number of years.
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yes, but you can't keep these players for long, as soon as they breakout someone takes them off you and trebles their wages

it's been happening to Spurs for a number of years
 
Gazza said:
I can't wait until we go through a small rough patch .... you lot will forget all of this applause
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At least you won't have any applause to forget.

You can't wait till we go through a small rough patch? I.e. lose a few games.
You can't wait for Spurs to lose some games just so you can see fellow fans you disagree with proved wrong?

Wow. Your world is a sad one
 
galeforce said:
yes, but you can't keep these players for long, as soon as they breakout someone takes them off you and trebles their wages

it's been happening to Spurs for a number of years
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I agree. But we, and say Southampton, do well out of it. I wasn't talking about wages, more about uncovering promising players, and then having the facilities and coaching team to bring players through. You end up with hungrier, settled players vs say pool with their high turnover of new players who don't settle.

If we take this model of developing HG and cheaper players, and then use the bulk of cash on one or two choice players - Alderweireld last season - and a CF finisher this summer; you can't argue that this isn't a more sustainable club and business model?
 
SpurMeUp said:
I agree. But we, and say Southampton, do well out of it. I wasn't talking about wages, more about uncovering promising players, and then having the facilities and coaching team to bring players through. You end up with hungrier, settled players vs say pool with their high turnover of new players who don't settle.

If we take this model of developing HG and cheaper players, and then use the bulk of cash on one or two choice players - Alderweireld last season - and a CF finisher this summer; you can't argue that this isn't a more sustainable club and business model?
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i agree it's completely sustainable, but you can't raise your starion by doing that, it's not going to upset the established order

as well as Leicester have done this season I can't see them consistently being title challengers for the next decade
 
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