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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

indianspur said:
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That is so clever, how do you do that?
 
indianspur said:
the strong team would have given us a better chance, thats the point :)
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It would indeed and as I said, I would have loved nothing more than for us to go out with a strong team and hammer them. I'm not the manager though, and all I am saying is that I can understand the rational behind the team he picked.

StephenH said:
Have you listened to some of the fans?
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Not sure what you meant by this? I'm assuming you mean some of them talk so much rubbish there would be no reason to care about them??
 
SUIYHA said:
Somebody should fit a camera above the ticket office on the corner of the High Road and Park Lane, and show everybody on the playing and management teams the footage of when the Ar5ena1 escort comes around so that they can see what it means to the fans. It is not acceptable to lose at home to Ar5ena1. Not ever. And especially not a weakened side. They rested players? Great - we should have had all the more chance of spanking them.

I get the rotating the squad thing. Really, I do. I said before the game that giving a 19 year old his third 90 minutes in six days and fourth in 10 days would be a big risk. There were perfectly justifiable reasons for starting Chadli, Carroll and Townsend, even if I personally wouldn't have done so. You have to make players feel like they're involved to keep squad morale, so a big cup game represents a good chance to show those players that they're valued.

However, the decisions to pick Vorm and Fazio were farcical. These two are not "squad rotation" players. They are backup players. Nothing more. They certainly should not be exposed to games like the North London Derby if their superiors are available. Fielding them in a game like this consists of fielding a weakened side, simple as. And there is no excuse to pick a weakened side for a derby.

Somebody called it well on twitter last night that Poch has thrown away a lot of good will amongst the Spurs fan base. Aside from a few macarons who moan that he doesn't have the credentials to manage Tottenham, he was generally very well liked amongst our fan base. I was 100% behind him prior to last night. I like what he's done with the squad, the way he's got us playing far better football than either of his immediate predecessors, on a limited budget, with hungry young players coming through. But last night was an extremely poor error of judgement for a very big match. And you can only get away with so many of those...

Redknapp infuriated people in 2010 when he did it, but he at least had the excuse that we were playing in the Champions League that season, and then managed to redeem himself by beating Ar5ena1 at the Emirates the next month. Over to you Poch.
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This, patience/goodwill is earned, he fudged up last night .. I'm actually amazed at personally how much that game/selection/result has affected my desire to see Poch manage the club.

We all accept we have limitations and "success" while building the new stadium, hence moments like last night matter even more, and Poch completely missed the boat last night.
 
StephenH said:
That is so clever, how do you do that?
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hey dont take it personally just having a laugh :)

i dont agree that the team Poch picked last night was because they were the only players he had to choose from
 
indianspur said:
hey dont take it personally just having a laugh :)

i dont agree that the team Poch picked last night was because they were the only players he had to choose from
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You and I would have played Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Hugo, rested Dier and Kane etc - I wish he had but he didn't and I doubt he is a secret gooner
 
StephenH said:
You and I would have played Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Hugo, rested Dier and Kane etc - I wish he had but he didn't and I doubt he is a secret gooner
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The most stupid part is, Poch understands what derbies mean to the fans very well - at least, he did at Espanyol, where he played the same starting eleven in two consecutive games against Barcelona (one cup, one league) in the space of three days.

He played in that derby, so he understood its significance and treated it with the importance it deserved. Here.....look around, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that he's tinkled off a lot of previously completely supportive fans (and I am one: I backed Poch 100 percent prior to yesterday).

Stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do. I hope he learns from it.
 
DubaiSpur said:
The most stupid part is, Poch understands what derbies mean to the fans very well - at least, he did at Espanyol, where he played the same starting eleven in two consecutive games against Barcelona (one cup, one league) in the space of three days.

He played in that derby, so he understood its significance and treated it with the importance it deserved. Here.....look around, it's hard not to come to the conclusion that he's tinkleed off a lot of previously completely supportive fans (and I am one: I backed Poch 100 percent prior to yesterday).

Stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do. I hope he learns from it.
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So he must of done it out of spite! The bastard!
 
StephenH said:
So he must of done it out of spite! The bastard!
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He damaged his own standing with his fans because of spite? What is he, a sado-masochist? :p

Nah. I think he miscalculated: he assumed everyone would be cool with him throwing this game if it meant a fresher side for the weekend. It being the NLD was a peripheral thought in his mind when he made that rational choice.

Unfortunately for him and for us, the NLD is quite an important thing, especially when it's in a cup we could win if we tried to: I think that is being amply proven today morning.
 
Dubai, you're usually so rational but I think you've blown this way out of proportion.

At Espanyol he would have have a much smaller squad - maybe his other option there was to play inexperienced youth and risk a hammering, potentially terminally damaging their confidence. We don't know the context.

Personally I wouldn't have played Fazio and Vorm for the first time last night. I said as much at half time. But I don't know what Poch has in mind for the rest of the month and the rest of the season. If he's prioritising other things or trying to use the squad effectively and give us the best chance of winning, that's his prerogative. We weren't bad. Arsenal weren't great. On another day we would have won the game, and the truth is that most football games are like that. There doesn't have to be an over-riding narrative that someone at the club majorly fudged up and there was an obvious better decision.
 
I would add that saying he could have played full strength team
DubaiSpur said:
He damaged his own standing with his fans because of spite? What is he, a sado-masochist? :p

Nah. I think he miscalculated: he assumed everyone would be cool with him throwing this game if it meant a fresher side for the weekend. It being the NLD was a peripheral thought in his mind when he made that rational choice.

Unfortunately for him and for us, the NLD is quite an important thing, especially when it's in a cup we could win if we tried to: I think that is being amply proven today morning.
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But we were the better team!
We rotated players last year and got to the final, then lost with our strongest team!

You dont just insert an extra 50k into a players ***** which then means they are fuelled up to run another 10k at high tempo.
 
DubaiSpur said:
He damaged his own standing with his fans because of spite? What is he, a sado-masochist? :p

Nah. I think he miscalculated: he assumed everyone would be cool with him throwing this game if it meant a fresher side for the weekend. It being the NLD was a peripheral thought in his mind when he made that rational choice.

Unfortunately for him and for us, the NLD is quite an important thing, especially when it's in a cup we could win if we tried to: I think that is being amply proven today morning.
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Or maybe, just maybe, he sent out a team that he thought could win the game and even though they dominated for a fair bit and had a certain goal cleared off the line, he was let down by two mistakes.
 
DubaiSpur said:
He damaged his own standing with his fans because of spite? What is he, a sado-masochist? :p

Nah. I think he miscalculated: he assumed everyone would be cool with him throwing this game if it meant a fresher side for the weekend. It being the NLD was a peripheral thought in his mind when he made that rational choice.

Unfortunately for him and for us, the NLD is quite an important thing, especially when it's in a cup we could win if we tried to: I think that is being amply proven today morning.
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Irony does not work well on forums - silly me
 
Can't say I'm angry about most of Pochs selection last night. I wouldnt have used Fazio as I think he is s****, and I actually thought he would use Son and Clinton to get some pace up front.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Dubai, you're usually so rational but I think you've blown this way out of proportion.

At Espanyol he would have have a much smaller squad - maybe his other option there was to play inexperienced youth and risk a hammering, potentially terminally damaging their confidence. We don't know the context.

Personally I wouldn't have played Fazio and Vorm for the first time last night. I said as much at half time. But I don't know what Poch has in mind for the rest of the month and the rest of the season. If he's prioritising other things or trying to use the squad effectively and give us the best chance of winning, that's his prerogative. We weren't bad. Ar5ena1 weren't great. On another day we would have won the game, and the truth is that most football games are like that. There doesn't have to be an over-riding narrative that someone at the club majorly fudgeed up and there was an obvious better decision.
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He made a bad calculated decision that didn't work, hence he has to take the blame for it ..

What most people are saying (that everyone is ignoring), is based on who we are, home game, Scum, a cup we have before and can win, he never should have made that call.

It shows a lack of understanding of what this club & fans are for, or our history.

It also to be quite honest is more than a little bit of bad management (that will doubly bite him in the ass if we lose against city), good positive vibe in team, 3 in a row, Son on a high and you make up some need to rotate (really, a fudging side with an average age of 24 needs rotation in September? absolute flimflam). Result = out of cup, now you go into the city game on a loss, Son's back to having to find his feet (he came on way too late and couldn't get to pace of game), and we will probably lose ...
 
Oh how some like to rush to blame.

Its football and I'm sad we lost but not Poch's fault, it happens all the time!
 
This lack of understanding nonsense is just an assumption/projection on your part - as Wenger/Fergusson et all have shown over the years is that it's possible to have an understanding of Clubs and their rivalries and still make that call to rotate in early cup games against arch rivals. This isn't something new or unique to us - for evidence take a look at Wengers team last night...
 
Raziel said:
He made a bad calculated decision that didn't work, hence he has to take the blame for it ..

What most people are saying (that everyone is ignoring), is based on who we are, home game, Scum, a cup we have before and can win, he never should have made that call.

It shows a lack of understanding of what this club & fans are for, or our history.

It also to be quite honest is more than a little bit of bad management (that will doubly bite him in the ass if we lose against city), good positive vibe in team, 3 in a row, Son on a high and you make up some need to rotate (really, a fudgeing side with an average age of 24 needs rotation in September? absolute hogwash). Result = out of cup, now you go into the city game on a loss, Son's back to having to find his feet (he came on way too late and couldn't get to pace of game), and we will probably lose ...
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Do any of us have the right to say we speak for the club or the fans?
 
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