Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
United won't pay £30m for Lloris (the only number I can see Levy buckle for) when they'll be able to get someone like Begovic or Handanovic for £8-9m.
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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United won't pay £30m for Lloris (the only number I can see Levy buckle for) when they'll be able to get someone like Begovic or Handanovic for £8-9m.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
If Man Utd were to receive £30 million from Real Madrid for De Gea then I see no reason why they wouldn't offer the same to take Lloris off of us.
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DublinSpur
Scott Parker
I wish that were true, GB. But United appear willing to spend a hell of a lot of money to become title challengers again. If Van Gaal decides he wants Lloris (which he may or may not - I don't know!) then I feel certain ManU will support him in the market, even if his second choice costs a lot less.
I'm not advocating sacking him now, but if we finish 10th in his second season, we should sack him and get someone else in. As he would have taken us backwards.... And quite substantially.
If it was someone with more of a pedigree then maybe more patience could be argued for, but pouch has none.... And I say this an d quite like him.
That's taking into account that we have been in or around the champs league places... We drop to 10th and West Ham or villa go up to 4-6 and our player will very quickly start looking to leave for those clubs if they would be challenging for champs league places, also the replacements that we could attract would be much poorer in comparison then who we have in recent years, as a mid table side would be less of a draw.
anything less than par next season with improvements in consistency and I would be looking to replace pouch.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
If he started th season with the team I mentioned then I don't think he's taken us backward. If we finished 10th with same personnel we have now then yes fair enough, although you still have to consider the manner in which you've finished 10th.
Just a typical hypothtical GG conversation that will go round and round until someone mentions Sherwood!
The point of what we're trying to do is that you don't need to buy replacements, they are already at the club. Best players will continue to leave anyway until we are CL regulars. Finishing 10th in a single season doesn't make you a 'mid-table' team and I doubt that all our best players would go immediatly (they are under contract at the end of the day)
This is all hypothtical and I think we can all agree that we don't want to finish 10th next season, but I don't think it would destroy us in the same way you think if we set up the youth system as is currently being discussed.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I don't think there's much chance we'll finish beneath 6th, whatever happens.
6th is our natural position and there's a big gap to the teams beneath us. Everton may have a revival, but I think they are on a declining cycle. Southampton and Swansea are great little clubs punching above their weight, but they don't have the resources to mount a sustained challenge.
- It will be 7 years since we finished lower than 8th and only once in the last 11 years.
- Make no mistake, an 8th-10th place finish is a firing result for any manager at Spurs going forward.
To GB's point, 6th is par (and you would probably need to show something else, mitigating circumstance, cup run, etc.), 5th should be Poch's minimum target next season, with 4th as the usual holy grail.
Tough season ahead for Poch, he needs to buy well, and have a good start to the season, his "write off" season pass is gone, needs to start showing results now.
- Make no mistake, an 8th-10th place finish is a firing result for any manager at Spurs going forward.
To GB's point, 6th is par (and you would probably need to show something else, mitigating circumstance, cup run, etc.), 5th should be Poch's minimum target next season, with 4th as the usual holy grail.
Tough season ahead for Poch, he needs to buy well, and have a good start to the season, his "write off" season pass is gone, needs to start showing results now.
DublinSpur
Scott Parker
It's just a hypothetical. I don't believe anyone here is expecting us to finish 10th. And I suspect everyone - without exception - would be extremely disappointed if we do.
What some of us are saying is that we believe the club might just be on the right trajectory (finally!). We have a young squad that will only get better... hopefully this will be strengthened via some shrewd business in the market (with the club supporting the manager)... and we have a young manager who we're hoping will learn from this season and improve us. The point about "finishing 10th" is that those fundamental foundations would not necessarily be destroyed by one sub-par season. And the circumstances would obviously be important.
I don't think anyone is trying to insist that no matter what Poch does next year, he should keep his job. Just that a mid-table finish should not automatically mean we fire him. I can envision scenarios where I would fight tooth-and-nail to keep Poch despite a 10th place finish. And I can envision scenarios where I'd be demanding he be sacked despite finishing 4th (yes, seriously).
Imagine a season where we suffer a series of injuries to vital personnel in February; and although we finish 10th, we still manage to win a cup double (qualifying for the CL League via a Europa League win and celebrating an FA cup win). Of course that's unlikely; but I think we'd be mad to fire our manager in that situation. Don't you? On the other hand, we could finish 4th but only after being top of the table in March and losing most of our remaining games because Poch is spending all his time angling for the job as Argentina manager. In that situation, I don't think a 4th place finish is enough to save him.
The point is simply that if the club clearly has strong foundations and stability, then one mediocre season in the league might not warrant upsetting that. It all depends on context and where we are in 12 months time. Nobody is being fundamentalist about this (I don't think).
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
We need to start being strategic about how we are going to start picking off Liverpool, Arsenal and United in turn, but I'm not sure we'll be able to do the second two until after the stadium (unless all the 2CV, Veljkovic, KWP, Winks, Alli, Pritchard, Onomah, Oduwa generation really fulfil their potential)
I'm not overly bothered about the league at the moment, so long as we keep getting a EL spot. I'm really desperate for us to win a cup. 7 years is a bit of a drought.
Agreed, but you can't regress
- I think Pool is killing themselves with expectation, I also don't think Rodgers is the messiah and they have returned to being a strikers graveyard.
- 6th is par, 5th aim, be well positioned to take advantage of a fudge up from any of the others
Also agree I would like to see Poch build a cup side, buy/groom a couple of players purely for Europe/domestic cups, have a setup (not a reject squad) built to win silverware.
DublinSpur
Scott Parker
Of them all, funnily enough Veljkovic is the one who has really caught my eye. Not 100% sure what it is about him but I think he's got what it takes to become - if not world-class, then certainly a top top player. Mind you, I thought the same about Postiga, so bear that in mind.
Right with you on that. Goes without saying I always want us to finish as high in the league as possible. But I'm one of those heathens who'd prefer to finish 6th and win a cup, than finish 4th and win nothing. Another run to the quarter-finals of the Champions League would be lovely of course; but if it's a choice between that and watching a Spurs captain lift a trophy (even the League Cup)? Well, it's no choice at all.
Veljkovic & Mason were the two outstanding players for us on our preseason tour last year (that I saw in person).
Was a touch surprised he didn't get a chance to stay, but guess at beginning of season we had a stack of players in that position.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Can I just clarify why posters are saying this is a write off season? We are going into the final game of the season with a chance to finish between 5th and 7th as well as reaching a cup final? If we finish 5th it would have been an excellent 1st season for a Spurs manager. If we finish 6th it would still be pretty good. I understand that the last few games have been difficult but Chelsea aside and Arsenal in parts no one has really been particularly consistent this season. I am a little surprised at the negativity although I suppose it is par for the course given our recent poor run. Poch will not finish as low as 10th next season. If that was going to happen it would have been this season, his first , imo
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
An excellent point! If you'd have said challenging for 5th on th final day of the season and a cup final at the start of the season you wouldn't find a poster on here who wouldn't take that. Yet the pressure is already starting to build...................
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
And can I add that even a 6th place finish which is the most likely represents progress from last season imo where we're regularly getting hammered by the top 4 and being trebled by Wham of all teams.