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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Mate who would you have as an alternative to Poch? It's a big thing to say you don't rate him, especially considering the improvement we have seen in players such as Kane, mason, eriksen and to some extent Rose? Surely we cannot write off a manager before the end of even 1 season?

Everyone had their own choices but I wanted David Moyes. Bit boring I know but there you go.

I don't like him and I don't rate him. However, I don't think he's doing a bad job pretty good in fact. I want to see what he does in this window and where we are in August. Then I'd give him 2 full seasons unless things are looking like '2 from 8' territory so 3 in total.

If we're still not looking like progressing then his contract expires and he's out the door.
 
I've always thought that two good players in every position is stupid, as you're never going to keep them all happy. If you anticipate say 60 games, you need 16 core players that you rotate once or twice a week to give them all 40 games a season and keep them all happy. Obviously it's not a hard and fast rule and some will play more than others, but this seems better than trying to keep 22 players happy. Especially when throwing the 'bench 11' together; they play like strangers, and you've made it clear they're not in the A team.
 
That theory around squad numbers is great if we don't lose any i prt at players through injury or as is now, international tournaments

The modern reality is if a manager rotates and it works he's a genius, if he doesn't yet has players available and he dies t get the results .. He is an idiot. IMO you can't win but what rotation does is keep the players happier with the fact they will get games and chance.
 
But if you lose someone to injury or internationals, I don't think there's much to choose between a senior who's going through the motions, and an under 21 who's eager to please. And after all's said and done, the player from the academy isn't likely to throw his toys out the pram if he's dropped next game, and best case scenario, he proves he's first team material.
 
I've always thought that two good players in every position is stupid, as you're never going to keep them all happy. If you anticipate say 60 games, you need 16 core players that you rotate once or twice a week to give them all 40 games a season and keep them all happy. Obviously it's not a hard and fast rule and some will play more than others, but this seems better than trying to keep 22 players happy. Especially when throwing the 'bench 11' together; they play like strangers, and you've made it clear they're not in the A team.


16 seems very low. If you look at Chelsea I think Mourinho is one of the managers that operates with a smaller squad out of those involved in European football and competing on multiple fronts. Think he has more than 16 core players.

Relying on youth players is fine, and I think Poch has shown himself more than willing to use younger players if they're good enough. But depending too heavily on them can be a problem both for the club and their development.

I agree that having direct cover for all positions might not be necessary. With a bit of versatility players should be able to cover multiple positions.

Right now our squad seems bloated overall as several youngsters have stepped up and ahead of established senior players without us really selling enough players to counteract that.
 
emi-finals? He’s had a few. Casting his mind back over his playing career in Argentina, Spain and France, Mauricio Pochettino’s memory automatically drifts to a situation so hostile, so molten with febrile energy, he feared for his life.Sitting in the pristine environment of Tottenham’s smart training ground, where everything is clean and serenely quiet, Pochettino goes through the motions of discussing how his team might approach the second leg of their Capital One Cup tie atSheffield United. Then his eyes light up, his expressions gain warmth and passion, as he recalls the mayhem he experienced as a young player tackling a shuddering semi-final in South America. Suffice to say, the experience means he is not overly alarmed about a trip up the M1 to Bramall Lane.Pochettino vividly remembers the detail of the notorious Copa Libertadores semi-final he took part in back in 1992. His team, Newell’s Old Boys, travelled north from Argentina to Colombia for a second leg against América de Cali, having drawn 1-1 in the opening match.“It’s difficult to play in Colombia. I remember going up the tunnel to the pitch and they started to throw batteries. Before the game my team-mate got hit and cut on the head. He had to get stitches from the doctor, it was very tough,” he explains. “You go to these countries to play Copa Libertadores or World Cup qualifiers. I remember every time we drove from the airport all the glass on the bus was smashed and we fell to the floor. It was always crazy with the army, military people, police.“Sometimes you are scared,” he recalls. “In Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Peru or Ecuador, people are very aggressive. Sometimes you are worried for your life.”Pochettino and his team-mates had to contend with crackling antagonism from the Colombian crowd and some wild challenges on the pitch. Newell’s won a free kick early on – there was a flurry of shoving before it could be taken – and Pochettino shrugged off a defender grasping his shirt to head his team into the lead. America equalised and after extra time, in this seething atmosphere, it boiled down to a shoot-out. “We won after 24 penalties,” says Pochettino. He happened to have a Chris Waddle moment when it was his turn – “I wasn’t going to mention that,” he chuckles – but all’s well that ended well.Advertisement"">The Newell’s players celebrated in an almighty bundle, having thrived in an environment where they were so palpably unwelcome. “If I can cope with that, we can cope with anything,” he says. “When I came over to France, England or Spain, people told me it was difficult to play. But when we arrived, it was nothing. They shout when something goes wrong but nothing else. This is easy.”He doesn’t miss that extreme tension and explosiveness. He knows his family used to worry about him when he went on these dangerous excursions around Latin America. “Life here is better, more comfortable,” he says. “Maybe it’s normal that the supporters shout at you, but in Argentina it’s impossible to have the supporters close behind you [in the dugout]. Because saliva, they throw things, radios, mobiles, it’s dangerous. But in England the respect is massive. I think football is to be enjoyed, for families, no violence.”While he is expecting a calmer affair at Sheffield United, the game itself and its outcome is no less critical. Pochettino reckons this is the most important match of his Tottenham tenure. With a final at stake, and a slender 1-0 advantage to take into the game, the manager demands his team play with absolute focus.“Our fans expect us to arrive at the final at Wembley,” he says. “But we need to play better than Sheffield, show more energy than Sheffield and try to fight. For me we need to go there thinking it is 0-0. I believe we will need to score. We have to forget about the first leg and show the mentality to win.”Mindful of the spate of shocks in the FA Cup last weekend, with Bradford City and Middlesbrough in particular flying the flag so fervently for lower-league clubs, he urges Tottenham’s players to find the balance between being “careful” and “playing freely”.Michel Vorm is expected to continue in goal despite a late blunder against Leicester that ended Tottenham’s participation in this season’s FA Cup. As to whether Pochettino would select him over Hugo Lloris if Tottenham do reach the final, the answer was a definite maybe. Harry Kane, who was on the bench against them, should return to the front line in place of Roberto Soldado.Tottenham last won a trophy in 2008, when they defeated Chelsea in the Carling Cup final with goals from Dimitar Berbatov and Jonathan Woodgate. They returned to Wembley the following year in the same competition, losing to Manchester United on penalties.Pochettino is hopeful that a positive outcome against Sheffield United can cement his relationship with the club and the fans at White Hart Lane. “Always when you get success it is a special thing for the fans and the club. Maybe if you win the final you go into the club’s history,” he says.The nostalgia of his experiences with Newell’s remains strong. Pochettino is keen to write a new chapter to remember with
 
Yeah. Final in his first season, well done Poch.

Have to say that looking at the game today he was well justified in resting some players against Leicester. Was a tough game on what looked a draining pitch. We played well overall, but players like Kane and Eriksen being a bit fresher surely helped.
 
If we don't win the final, the sceptics will say we only beat one Premier League team to get there, and played really badly in at least three of the games on our route to the final. Graham, Ramos and Redknapp all reached the final in their first seasons here, Hoddle also did in his first full season.

I've been generally very impressed with Poch up to now though, so I really hope he wins the thing, as the sceptics will really have nothing to say then. I can't really see it though, this Chelsea side is stronger than Avram Grant's one, and even though we have Eriksen and Kane, we no longer have King and Woodgate at the back, nor that outstanding Berbatov and Keane partnership in attack any more. Chelsea will be out for double revenge after the 5-3 and 2008, AND we'll have a a tricky second leg away game against Fiorentina to play three days earlier whilst they will have a nice long rest. Last time it was Ramos the cup specialist against Grant the serial choker. This time it's Poch who's never won anything as a manager Vs Mourinho who's won nine out of eleven cup finals. So if Poch can somehow pull this one off, I'll probably call my first child Mauricio!
 
If we don't win the final, the sceptics will say we only beat one Premier League team to get there, and played really badly in at least three of the games on our route to the final. Graham, Ramos and Redknapp all reached the final in their first seasons here, Hoddle also did in his first full season.

I've been generally very impressed with Poch up to now though, so I really hope he wins the thing, as the sceptics will really have nothing to say then. I can't really see it though, this Chel53a side is stronger than Avram Grant's one, and even though we have Eriksen and Kane, we no longer have King and Woodgate at the back, nor that outstanding Berbatov and Keane partnership in attack any more. Chel53a will be out for double revenge after the 5-3 and 2008, AND we'll have a a tricky second leg away game against Fiorentina to play three days earlier whilst they will have a nice long rest. Last time it was Ramos the cup specialist against Grant the serial choker. This time it's Poch who's never won anything as a manager Vs Mourinho who's won nine out of eleven cup finals. So if Poch can somehow pull this one off, I'll probably call my first child Mauricio!

Mate, the sceptics can fudge off, regardless of the final result

Poch inherited a side with a lot of issues, and has made Wembley in his first season, if the season ended with us 6th and that .. its more than a fair result.

Of course we have to do everything to win the final, but job well done so far.
 
i don't think anyone remembers the "road" to the league cup final - just the winner and loser to a lesser extent.
this will go down onto Poch's resume, he is starting to build a strong reputation. if we do win a cup and make it to champions league, how long do you think he will stay with us ?
 
i don't think anyone remembers the "road" to the league cup final - just the winner and loser to a lesser extent.
this will go down onto Poch's resume, he is starting to build a strong reputation. if we do win a cup and make it to champions league, how long do you think he will stay with us ?

Long enough, especially if he starts to get his players.

Harry was here what, 4 years? and likely would still be here minus the England mess (and HR was not universally liked)

Highly unlikely Argentina will come running for Poch anytime soon, if can keep producing, he has a fairly long term option here.
 
Long enough, especially if he starts to get his players.

Harry was here what, 4 years? and likely would still be here minus the England mess (and HR was not universally liked)

Highly unlikely Argentina will come running for Poch anytime soon, if can keep producing, he has a fairly long term option here.

I don't agree. If he stays for three seasons we have done well. If he is successful over that period a richer club will come in for him and if he doesn't he will be sacked.
 
wasn't he supposedly considered by Real Madrid when he was at Espanyol? success with us with us would probably lead to a job offer from them
 
I don't agree. If he stays for three seasons we have done well. If he is successful over that period a richer club will come in for him and if he doesn't he will be sacked.

The second part is a given (look at PL management tenure)

But PL club manager poaching is really more a myth than fact that I'm aware of, what team out of the regular top 6 has had their manager poached for a "big club" ?
 
The second part is a given (look at PL management tenure)

But PL club manager poaching is really more a myth than fact that I'm aware of, what team out of the regular top 6 has had their manager poached for a "big club" ?

That's because far more of them get sacked or leave before things go wrong.
 
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Coolest guy, more of this at Wembley please.
 
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