NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
Maybe that is a conversation you should be having with your manager, whom you now trust, who would rather sign more experienced Dutch and an Argentine central defender
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Luka Vuskovic
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Gazza
Chris Perry
Alex the fraud crook reads the Internet and then smugly tries to recycle it as one of his sources told him some information. The guy is a clam. Then they go on to present his opinions like they are news. Get in the bin
NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
I note that one of the two teams you were referring to above was Barcelona. While I agree they probably wouldn't spend £70m to buy Vuskovic, they have repeatedly shown that if he were already at Barca, they would almost certainly have played him.
I suppose it helps when you have a tried-and-tested pathway for young talent to break into the first team. Those of us of a certain vintage remember the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Busquets and the Little Magician himself graduating into the senior side.
In the current setup, Pau Cubarsi, a central defender, made his debut at 16, established himself at 17 and now, at 19, already has two league titles and starts for Spain in a back four.
At left-back they have Balde, who established himself as a teenager. In midfield there's Pedri, who was a regular starter at 17, with Gavi not far behind. And, of course, there's the 18-year-old Boy Wonder on the right wing who was voted Player of the year in Spain, last season.
Barcelona's philosophy isn't perfect, but when they believe a young player is good enough, age and lack of experience rarely seems to be a barrier.
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NaijaSpurs
Cecil Poynton
The problem with us is that our talented youngsters too often end up in loan cycles or on the edge of the squad without really kicking on into proper first-team roles.
Barcelona don’t just produce talent, they trust it. We need to build a pathway where whether a player is homegrown or signed at 16-18, they’re developed into first-team footballers, not loan projects.
And most importantly our youngsters have to believe there is a route for them.
Barcelona don’t just produce talent, they trust it. We need to build a pathway where whether a player is homegrown or signed at 16-18, they’re developed into first-team footballers, not loan projects.
And most importantly our youngsters have to believe there is a route for them.
You do have a point but I guess it is easier to blood a 17 year old when two thirds of your games are practically dead rubbers... and you have 9 other world class players to cover for his inevitable initial mistakes...
A prem loan for him would be ideal, selling him would prove even further (somehow) that these owners are clueless.
Even without being prem proven you can tell there’s a lot about him and whilst it could be that eventually it turns out he isn’t good enough for the prem, I think there’s more than enough to suggest he could potentially be a very very good player in any league and is worth holding on to for a good while yet in the hope that he turns out as well as he potentially looks like he could for us.
Even without being prem proven you can tell there’s a lot about him and whilst it could be that eventually it turns out he isn’t good enough for the prem, I think there’s more than enough to suggest he could potentially be a very very good player in any league and is worth holding on to for a good while yet in the hope that he turns out as well as he potentially looks like he could for us.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Luka Modric
Timing is important in the process of developing young talent, the last 2 seasons have not been ideal. Both Bergvall and Gray have suffered in my opinion trying to hold the team together, a task too big for them a this stage of their careers. We've not had a settled team and changed 2 starkly opposite styles of management, young players need to get help from experienced teammates playing in a system they understand, we've not had that. The PL is such a jungle few managers are prepared to risk their jobs giving youth a chance and the time they need. That doesn't excuse the way we have handled our young talent in the past, I don't think any manager since Pochettino has had the courage to use them.
Odobert, Tel, Bergvall and Gray have been given plenty of playing time - I don't think it's fair to say we don't give youth a chance, more the case that people on here rate young players higher than actual qualified coaches do when they don't get picked insist it's a case of being scared to play youngsters rather than them just not being good enough.
In the case of Vuskovic, CB is one of the most important areas on the pitch and we are a basket case of a club to play for. He has big potential, but a Premier League loan would be fantastic for his development and long term for us beneficial....
In the case of Vuskovic, CB is one of the most important areas on the pitch and we are a basket case of a club to play for. He has big potential, but a Premier League loan would be fantastic for his development and long term for us beneficial....
MartyFunkhouser
Garth Crooks
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, some rate too highly, some too lowly, some just wanna shut down conversations with "well if the manager doesnt think so" like its not up for discussion.
Truth is, all players are individuals so there isnt a path thats correct because of a player that came before them, too many nuances and circumstance changes for it to be easy or there to be one definitive correct answer.
All I will say is that if Bergvall and Vusko don't have long term futures at Spurs, given their obvious talents, then I think we have a massive problem
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Daisuk
Paul Stewart
100% this! We’re the exact opposite. These players will never simply magically become PL ready unless given a chance.
glasgowspur
Jimmy Cantrell
I find it difficult to believe that he has been negotiating in the 36 hours before his first WC game.
I smell BS.
I smell BS.
That's what agents are for
Welshspur60
Radek Cerny
Our youth set up is a pointless joke. No talented youngster really gets a look in for the first team, while championship standard players get picked week in week out.
Hope this has changed with RDZ.
We have only had one top player come through in 20 years. Ill give you a clue, hes captain of Engerland.
MartyFunkhouser
Garth Crooks
I don't think he leaves, I mean I really hope he doesn't.
You scout a kid, you beat of competition for him, at 16/17 he is player of the year at Westerlo, at 17/18 he is player of the year at Hamburg and in the league team of the year. If that player isn't in plans then no player ever will be.
And I like RDZ, but in a league where the average manager lasts 800 days then you have to plan around that and protect the club also, so I don't buy the shut down of "well if the manager..........."
That said, I am only spit balling on the idea if he was to leave, again I don't think he will
El Dante
Paul Walsh
He is. And I’ll be furious if we sell him. He’s one of the best World prospects. Everyone talks about him. You ask football experts who the next big thing defenders are and I’d be extremely surprised if he wasn’t mentioned. If we sell him then it’s inexcusable. We have to find a place for him.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I still don't get this logic
We'd loan one of our best players, to a better team than us, because we are ashamed of where we've fallen to?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It's basically letting our hot new misses go swinging, while we have a cry toss in the toilet
It's not my logic, it's potentially our managers logic. Just because you and others say he's one of our best players doesn't make it true, I'm confident in saying RDZ and the club have seen more footage of Vuskovic than the whole of this board put together - and are more aware of his weaknesses than YouTube clips people on here are going off with his goals scored and some good defending in an inferior league.
There aren't many 19 year old CBs starting in the Premier League because it is a specialist position where experience is often crucial especially if your ambitions are to seriously compete. I don't care one way or another what is done with him for next season as long as he isn't sold. I trust RDZ to know whether he is ready for his style of football, or if an education at Brighton or wherever is best for the time being. If he is sold then I will be extremely disappointed, from the handful of games I've seen he is very talented....
MartyFunkhouser
Garth Crooks
I don't think putting it out in those terms is very fair on the people discussing the lad or being excited about his talents, we know we are not managers and coaches in the PL, that tone comes over massively snobbish fella
But to the point, managers and clubs make mistakes, sometimes for all their lack of understanding of the game, their lack of training, their YT only viewing, sometimes the fans are right..........sometimes
Not snobbish at all, the point is hardly anyone on here has watched many if any Hamburg games for 90 minutes - I have only seen 4 or 5 myself so do not feel qualified to make any real statements about how good he is. People are going off of in the main some YouTube clips and links in the media, actual live 90 minutes of the player hardly anyone has seen.
The club has seen practically every minute of what he's done since he signed so far better placed to know where he's at....