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Juan Foyth

Rorschach said:
He was great again today but he has to watch the rash tackles in the box. Too many of those at the moment. I have no doubt he'll learn though.
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The Hazard contact? Certainly could’ve been given. Moments earlier, Kane had used/positioned his body in a similar way to draw contact and Atkinson waved that away too. He seemed uninterested in giving those.

Hazard’s dive later? Poor wunnit?!!!!


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Rorschach said:
He was great again today but he has to watch the rash tackles in the box. Too many of those at the moment. I have no doubt he'll learn though.
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Come on, mate. This is his, what, third game in the first team?

Like Sanchez last season, he's entitled to have no expectations placed on him at this stage. Enjoy the good, forget the bad. ;) And it's not like his challenges in the box are actually costing us anything, anyway.
 
thfcsteff said:
The Hazard contact? Certainly could’ve been given. Moments earlier, Kane had used/positioned his body in a similar way to draw contact and Atkinson waved that away too. He seemed uninterested in giving those.

Hazard’s dive later? Poor wunnit?!!!!


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2nd one was a dive from Hazard, no doubt. But the first one was a pen IMHO. Atkinson was unpredictable all day so I would not use him as any sort of barometer as to what is legal or not. As @DubaiSpur says it was only his 3rd game but it could very easily be also his 3rd penalty conceded in those 3 games. I get that he is new to the first team but he is not new to football. Those are ill-advised challenges at any level. Anyway, all's well that ends well so no point dwelling on it.

What I do like is that he reads the game so well for someone so young. He is well ahead of his years on that front. Add to that his composure on the ball and I think we have unearthed a real gem here. Massive kudos to whoever scouted this kid.
 
Rorschach said:
2nd one was a dive from Hazard, no doubt. But the first one was a pen IMHO. Atkinson was unpredictable all day so I would not use him as any sort of barometer as to what is legal or not. As @DubaiSpur says it was only his 3rd game but it could very easily be also his 3rd penalty conceded in those 3 games. I get that he is new to the first team but he is not new to football. Those are ill-advised challenges at any level. Anyway, all's well that ends well so no point dwelling on it.

What I do like is that he reads the game so well for someone so young. He is well ahead of his years on that front. Add to that his composure on the ball and I think we have unearthed a real gem here. Massive kudos to whoever scouted this kid.
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Worth noting he nearly scored again.
 
Rorschach said:
2nd one was a dive from Hazard, no doubt. But the first one was a pen IMHO. Atkinson was unpredictable all day so I would not use him as any sort of barometer as to what is legal or not. As @DubaiSpur says it was only his 3rd game but it could very easily be also his 3rd penalty conceded in those 3 games. I get that he is new to the first team but he is not new to football. Those are ill-advised challenges at any level. Anyway, all's well that ends well so no point dwelling on it.

What I do like is that he reads the game so well for someone so young. He is well ahead of his years on that front. Add to that his composure on the ball and I think we have unearthed a real gem here. Massive kudos to whoever scouted this kid.
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Yes he gave two pens away, but arguably neither were even "on" him - which should be remembered.

The first one DEFINITELY wasnt on him, Trippier fudged him completely on that situation.

Theres already a narrative forming of "he already gave away 2..." which I really feel people should apply the right context to.

It was an iffy challenge, could easily have been given and would have been hard to argue against, but its not something Im looking to beat him up over at this point.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Yes he gave two pens away, but arguably neither were even "on" him - which should be remembered.

The first one DEFINITELY wasnt on him, Trippier fudged him completely on that situation.

Theres already a narrative forming of "he already gave away 2..." which I really feel people should apply the right context to.

It was an iffy challenge, could easily have been given and would have been hard to argue against, but its not something Im looking to beat him up over at this point.
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Agree with you, he is a kid playing in a much faster Lge ( hense getting caught out when tackling) then he is used to and will adapt to that the more he plays. I would be amazed if he does not become a top class player here.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Yes he gave two pens away, but arguably neither were even "on" him - which should be remembered.

The first one DEFINITELY wasnt on him, Trippier fudged him completely on that situation.

Theres already a narrative forming of "he already gave away 2..." which I really feel people should apply the right context to.

It was an iffy challenge, could easily have been given and would have been hard to argue against, but its not something Im looking to beat him up over at this point.
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I think you are forming a counter-narrative that he is almost blameless ;). I'm not going to labour the point as I think he's a great player in the making. It is, however, something he needs to work on IMO. It is a simple point nothing more.
 
Rorschach said:
I think you are forming a counter-narrative that he is almost blameless ;). I'm not going to labour the point as I think he's a great player in the making. It is, however, something he needs to work on IMO. It is a simple point nothing more.
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I think against Wolves, he pretty much is. Which is why the whole "Well he gave away 2 penalties so better watch him for clangers..." narrative is something I find jarring.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Yes he gave two pens away, but arguably neither were even "on" him - which should be remembered.

The first one DEFINITELY wasnt on him, Trippier fudged him completely on that situation.

Theres already a narrative forming of "he already gave away 2..." which I really feel people should apply the right context to.

It was an iffy challenge, could easily have been given and would have been hard to argue against, but its not something Im looking to beat him up over at this point.
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I assume when you speak of applying context you are referring to external comments rather than comments from Spurs fans? I don’t think any Spurs fan believes he was 100% to blame for those two penalties against Wolves. Far from it. The situation for the first one was derived from a ridiculous error/over-confident action from Trippier, but Foyth panicked and a penalty resulted. The second one was unfortunate - often wouldn’t have been given but it still showed some naivety on his part. But whilst not his fault, the team will still be punished when it goes wrong.

He was lucky yesterday. In real time, standing behind the goal, it looked like a penalty to me. It was a dangerous action. But one of his strengths is that he doesn’t let those instances get the better of him and he still put in a performance of confidence and maturity. He shows immense promise for one so young in a CB position but mistakes in that area can be the most damaging, and we will see him being targeted by savvy strikers. Fortunately he seems very capable on the whole of dealing with that and he will learn through experience
 
Im applying in general, neither specifically to commentary or fans.

Its a theme that seems to be picking up pace, and one I dont agree with. I think the context of "Yes he gave away two penatlies - but no it wasnt because he dropped two massive clangers" needs to be applied.
 
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