Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[DeanoAustin]

Has anyone seen his approach in episode 7 of all or nothing. The way he talks them through the stuff on screen is coaching 101. The players physical traction though and lack of push back was a worry though

Planning to watch it later. Any good?

F**king shambolic, gutless performance on the first day of the season doesn't dampen our desire for all things Tottenham. There's a Stockholm Syndrome element to our support of this f**king club. We're doomed to failure but we just can't let it go.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Planning to watch it later. Any good?

F**king shambolic, gutless performance on the first day of the season doesn't dampen our desire for all things Tottenham. There's a Stockholm Syndrome element to our support of this f**king club. We're doomed to failure but we just can't let it go.

It’s the same as the rest
A fluff piece
A few standouts
Vorm says he hasn’t played and didn’t expect to play vs Norwich
Jose told Winks don’t go wide in case we lose the ball... so defence first

 

[Grays_1890]

I'm fairly certain Jose said pre-Rona that we didn't need major signings, just the correct signings to compliment the already top level players we have (its in the doc pre-Rona).

Therefore for me he is pretty much operating on the budget he signed up for. He doesn't seem to be targeting an Eriksen replacement and we instead signed another wide player in Bergwijn....are we letting that slide?

No one held a gun to his head to sign for the club thats the point. I know what Levy is like, sure he does so our frugal attitude is no excuse.

As you say we signed a player he wanted in an area we were already better at than others, we have signed a total Matic style clogger he wanted too, if you compare that with other clubs even like Saudi Sportswashing Machine who spent the same and spent better (in my opinion) thats on him, based on the environment he is in and agreed to he is getting the type of player he wants.

The same with the striker, he wants a target man, that is absolutely clear, they dont even hide that in the documentary when they talk type of player, so if we get a target man thats because he wants that for the style of football he prefers.

Coronovirus is a leveller for all clubs at our level as are financial restraints, he has to crack on, we cant change that.

My biggest problem is when we lose we absolutely stick up the place, its ridiculous.

 

[elltrev]

My biggest concerns with Mourinho at the moment:

- Clearly wanting to press Everton yesterday, but not being able to organise and/or motivate the players to do this effectively (or recognise that they weren't fit enough to do this after the weird covid break and preseason).
- Seemingly being happy with a first choice front four of Kane / Son / Alli / Moura, none of whose strengths are making themselves available in deeper areas and playing in teammates, like Eriksen used to. And with no hint of us looking for that kind of player in the transfer window, or him thinking Lo Celso's best position is up there. Leading to countless possessions like the one seen in the picture below, with no consistent link between midfield and attack.
- Bringing on Sissoko for Alli at half-time, at 0-0 at home. I'm sorry but whatever his reasons, that is just a diabolical sub - and one which makes me think he just doesn't recognise our issues in possession, or sufficiently value the importance of being good in possession. (And so it proved, not creating a single chance in the second half).



I don't want to overreact to one game, but with that being our big chance to put the negativity of the last 12+ months behind us, it looked like we hadn't moved on at all - tactically, technically or mentally.

 

[Grays_1890]

My biggest concerns with Mourinho at the moment:
I don't want to overreact to one game, but with that being our big chance to put the negativity of the last 12+ months behind us, it looked like we hadn't moved on at all - tactically, technically or mentally.

Thats it for me, first game of the season where abit of excitement and early optimism should be pumping through the team, even if the season was to dump after that game, surely he could conjure up one positive game? Of all games this game.

It just makes you want to sigh and throw your hands up and give up

 

[Diamond Lights]

I'm not Jose out, i want him to succeed of course.

However, a few concerns alone from yesterday's game:

1. In the 60th minute, Harry Kane was onto his THIRD 'strike support/partner' - Dele, Lucas, Bergwijn. That is troubling because it looks like we have no plan, just trying different things and hoping something sticks
2. Change in formation - when changes came, we also switched formation, but again, seemed to have little impact, in fact we seemed better in first half than second - i understand we needed the goal but we were losing the midfield battle so sacrificing the extra man there cost us
   
3. Dier and Toby at the back - personal opinion, i don't see how this works. Dier got turned by one of the Everton attackers, he's not good enough for a CB against Top 10 PL teams and we have a dearth of pace at the back
   
4. Winks and PEH - again, not sure what the benefit is to our team with both playing? Play one or the other, but dearth of quality in the midfield, Sissoko or Ndombelly surely need to start ahead of Winks as neither Winks nor PEH offer anything remarkable in possession or going forward
5. Lastly, Son - 2 goals in 10, Lucas 0 in 16, Bergwijn 0 in 9, Dele 1 in 14. We have enough attacking talent to cause any team in the league a problem... but we don't? That can't be player issue, it must be a tactical style or implementation. I can handle playing brick and winning, but playing brick and losing with that talent? Woeful.

I would love Jose to succeed, but right now we still look like the same team that tailed off under Poch. And it pains me to say, but looking down the road, them lot have clearly made improvements and look to be going in a positive direction with a united fan base and a settled team to start the season. Meanwhile our Plan B is to completely change our midfield approach to try and find some assistance for Kane up top when going a goal down.

Is Jose yesterday's man? That's the question going round in my head, as i've still yet seen much to convince me otherwise. As others have said, yesterday could have been a real marker down to show we might be half decent this season instead the opposite happened.

 

[Grays_1890]

For me we need to

- Realise Moura is Poor, I would have Lamela in there for at least his aggression and energy which is HUGELY lacking from the side
- Get Ndombele in the side and on fire, thats Jose job, fed up of excuses why Jose can not do his job, we need a creative spark somewhere in the side that can feed the front line rather than play as two units of defense and attack. Without a Ndombele type we just clog the ball forward and say Go on make something happen like its a district football match
- Get GLS in the side, he is better than Winks and the new lad.

 

[harr1984]

For me we need to

- Realise Moura is Poor, I would have Lamela in there for at least his aggression and energy which is HUGELY lacking from the side
- Get Ndombele in the side and on fire, thats Jose job, fed up of excuses why Jose can not do his job, we need a creative spark somewhere in the side that can feed the front line rather than play as two units of defense and attack. Without a Ndombele type we just clog the ball forward and say Go on make something happen like its a district football match
- Get GLS in the side, he is better than Winks and the new lad.

Sorry but it is not Mourinhos job to get NDombele fit - it is a professional athletes job to look after their body, funny how none of the other players struggle so much to keep in shape, would you dream of crediting that to Mourinho? Of course not.
As for Lo Celso he is not currently fit and pointless trying to rush him back with the amount of games we have coming up.

It’s unfortunate our two creative midfielders were unable to start, and was inevitable the football would be bland with the options available. He had Sissoko,Winks and Hojberg available at CM - no matter what combination you come up with it was going to be dire. When NDombele and Lo Celso are fully fit and starting, if we still have the same issues then? That would be the time for concern. Or if they are available yet Mourinho chooses from what we put out yesterday, that would be just as concerning but he wouldn’t. Yesterday was poor, but I’d rather that sort of performance come now and against one of the better sides....

 

[Grays_1890]

Sorry but it is not Mourinhos job to get NDombele fit - it is a professional athletes job to look after their body, funny how none of the other players struggle so much to keep in shape, would you dream of crediting that to Mourinho? Of course not.
As for Lo Celso he is not currently fit and pointless trying to rush him back with the amount of games we have coming up.

It’s unfortunate our two creative midfielders were unable to start, and was inevitable the football would be bland with the options available. He had Sissoko,Winks and Hojberg available at CM - no matter what combination you come up with it was going to be dire. When NDombele and Lo Celso are fully fit and starting, if we still have the same issues then? That would be the time for concern. Or if they are available yet Mourinho chooses from what we put out yesterday, that would be just as concerning but he wouldn’t. Yesterday was poor, but I’d rather that sort of performance come now and against one of the better sides....

Its his job to get him firing, he needs to tap into his talent, thats his job.

I am fed up of reading how none of these issues fall at Jose door to improve.

We may as well just give up and expect nothing of the manager, seems people are happy to accept rubbish like yesterday

 

[StephenH]

Sorry but it is not Mourinhos job to get NDombele fit - it is a professional athletes job to look after their body, funny how none of the other players struggle so much to keep in shape, would you dream of crediting that to Mourinho? Of course not.
As for Lo Celso he is not currently fit and pointless trying to rush him back with the amount of games we have coming up.

It’s unfortunate our two creative midfielders were unable to start, and was inevitable the football would be bland with the options available. He had Sissoko,Winks and Hojberg available at CM - no matter what combination you come up with it was going to be dire. When NDombele and Lo Celso are fully fit and starting, if we still have the same issues then? That would be the time for concern. Or if they are available yet Mourinho chooses from what we put out yesterday, that would be just as concerning but he wouldn’t. Yesterday was poor, but I’d rather that sort of performance come now and against one of the better sides....

We might as well send Mourinho his severance money now. Because he's doing feck all else.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Sorry but it is not Mourinhos job to get NDombele fit - it is a professional athletes job to look after their body, funny how none of the other players struggle so much to keep in shape, would you dream of crediting that to Mourinho? Of course not.
As for Lo Celso he is not currently fit and pointless trying to rush him back with the amount of games we have coming up.

It’s unfortunate our two creative midfielders were unable to start, and was inevitable the football would be bland with the options available. He had Sissoko,Winks and Hojberg available at CM - no matter what combination you come up with it was going to be dire. When NDombele and Lo Celso are fully fit and starting, if we still have the same issues then? That would be the time for concern. Or if they are available yet Mourinho chooses from what we put out yesterday, that would be just as concerning but he wouldn’t. Yesterday was poor, but I’d rather that sort of performance come now and against one of the better sides....

The manager has the responsibility for getting players fir surely... and for not playing players who aren’t fit enough

 

[harr1984]

Its his job to get him firing, he needs to tap into his talent, thats his job.

I am fed up of reading how none of these issues fall at Jose door to improve.

We may as well just give up and expect nothing of the manager, seems people are happy to accept rubbish like yesterday

I appreciate since yesterday you’ve written about 100 posts whinging about everything Mourinho, but you are stretching it a bit here.
It’s the Premier League, no matter how talented you are if you are a centre midfielder that can’t get around the pitch without blowing for longer than ten minutes then you are not going to make it in this league. That is the issue. When he is on the pitch he does outrageous things on the ball, but he can’t sustain it for long because he is knackered. And that is not Mourinhos issue. Mourinho can see his talent, he’s spoken about it enough times but if he can’t get himself fit that is not on Mourinho it’s on NDombele - he is a professional athlete, and it’s the only thing holding him back - not Mourinho.....

 

[Grays_1890]

The manager has the responsibility for getting players fir surely... and for not playing players who aren’t fit enough

Ndombele was on the bench for the last 3rd of last season and could not get in the side despite the games coming thick and fast.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Ndombele was on the bench for the last 3rd of last season and could not get in the side despite the games coming thick and fast.

Yep
And when he did start he wasn’t fit enough
I remember Burnley away and when he came on vs wolves
The player needs to earn the right to play, and the manager should be working him hard enough to get him fit

 

[StephenH]

The manager has the responsibility for getting players fir surely... and for not playing players who aren’t fit enough

Of cause Bedford.

 

[Grays_1890]

I appreciate since yesterday you’ve written about 100 posts whinging about everything Mourinho, but you are stretching it a bit here.
It’s the Premier League, no matter how talented you are if you are a centre midfielder that can’t get around the pitch without blowing for longer than ten minutes then you are not going to make it in this league. That is the issue. When he is on the pitch he does outrageous things on the ball, but he can’t sustain it for long because he is knackered. And that is not Mourinhos issue. Mourinho can see his talent, he’s spoken about it enough times but if he can’t get himself fit that is not on Mourinho it’s on NDombele - he is a professional athlete, and it’s the only thing holding him back - not Mourinho.....

I have moaned because of the tripe we threw up yesterday, I think that is fair. Half the post I have questioned what I believe is his responsibility.

You seem to be on the side where he gets a free hit regardless, blame levy, blame the squad and nothing lays at Mourinhos door because he won stuff at clubs that have nowhere near the same make up as ours. Thats up to you if you are going to give him that chance, I am going to and I think rightfully ask more of the manager everyone lauds, that is par for the course.

A question no one seems to ever ask themselves is, if he could not do the job, why take it? If you cant work within the landscape dont take the job

 

[Grays_1890]

Yep
And when he did start he wasn’t fit enough
I remember Burnley away and when he came on vs wolves
The player needs to earn the right to play, and the manager should be working him hard enough to get him fit

Either way its still down to the manager to get his best players on the pitch.

 

[harr1984]

The manager has the responsibility for getting players fir surely... and for not playing players who aren’t fit enough

The manager can only give them match fitness with game time. In NDombeles case he is overweight and that is nothing to do with Mourinho, the club has specialist health and fitness teams and if NDombele can’t work hard enough to get in shape then how is that on Mourinho?
I’m not a professional athlete yet go to the gym and keep in shape, I don’t need a manager for that and a professional athlete in the Premier League certainly shouldn’t, that should be a basic thing to maintain.....

 

[elltrev]

Sorry but it is not Mourinhos job to get NDombele fit - it is a professional athletes job to look after their body, funny how none of the other players struggle so much to keep in shape, would you dream of crediting that to Mourinho? Of course not.
As for Lo Celso he is not currently fit and pointless trying to rush him back with the amount of games we have coming up.

It’s unfortunate our two creative midfielders were unable to start, and was inevitable the football would be bland with the options available. He had Sissoko,Winks and Hojberg available at CM - no matter what combination you come up with it was going to be dire. When NDombele and Lo Celso are fully fit and starting, if we still have the same issues then? That would be the time for concern. Or if they are available yet Mourinho chooses from what we put out yesterday, that would be just as concerning but he wouldn’t. Yesterday was poor, but I’d rather that sort of performance come now and against one of the better sides....

I agree with most of that. I would only say:

a) Even if it's obviously Ndombele's responsibility to get himself fit, it's also Jose's to do whatever it takes to get the best out of his players, especially one as talented as Ndombele. Or in other words: whilst it's obvious Ndombele is a tricky player to manage, Jose is being paid the big bucks to do so effectively. (I'm not blaming Jose for Ndombele's fitness struggles, or giving Ndombele a free ride - I'm just saying Jose has to do everything he can to maximise the likelihood of Ndombele getting fit and firing. Which he might already be doing - hard to know without seeing behind the scenes).

b) Jose surely could have brought Ndombele on at HT yesterday, instead of Sissoko - he surely can't be so unfit that he can't manage 45 minutes?

 

[harr1984]

I have moaned because of the tripe we threw up yesterday, I think that is fair. Half the post I have questioned what I believe is his responsibility.

You seem to be on the side where he gets a free hit regardless, blame levy, blame the squad and nothing lays at Mourinhos door because he won stuff at clubs that have nowhere near the same make up as ours. Thats up to you if you are going to give him that chance, I am going to and I think rightfully ask more of the manager everyone lauds, that is par for the course.

A question no one seems to ever ask themselves is, if he could not do the job, why take it?

I have moaned because of the tripe we threw up yesterday, I think that is fair. Half the post I have questioned what I believe is his responsibility.

You seem to be on the side where he gets a free hit regardless, blame levy, blame the squad and nothing lays at Mourinhos door because he won stuff at clubs that have nowhere near the same make up as ours. Thats up to you if you are going to give him that chance, I am going to and I think rightfully ask more of the manager everyone lauds, that is par for the course.

A question no one seems to ever ask themselves is, if he could not do the job, why take it?

I don’t recall saying he’s beyond criticism.

I just wasn’t surprised with the lack of options in CM area as to the creativity issues. I am confident in our play if one of NDombele or Lo Celso starts. Without them it’s always going to be poor. But to be fair if Man U didn’t have Fernandes and Pogba playing they wouldn’t look creative either.
My issue with Mourinho yesterday was the Dele sub, that was poor - but he admitted he fudged up there, it happens. And something that bugs me with him is he always prefers Moura to Bergwijn who I think is the better player.

As an aside and not an excuse, just an observation - playing Everton first up must of been one of the most awkward fixtures to have. Because of their new recruits you would have no idea what their starting line up would be with Rodriguez not playing in months and Allan and Doucoure not long arrived etc and how they would setup so would be difficult to plan.

It was poor viewing and performance from all involved. But I don’t buy it’s as bad as some are making out. These threads remind me so much of after the Sheffield Utd game and we picked up well since then. I’m just going to give it a few weeks and let things settle a little first....