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Interim manager thread 2.0

This is an insane appointment.

5 year contract for someone that hardly stays anywhere for a prolonged period of time.

Likely to fall out with owners if not backed to a level he expects (he won't be)

Not exactly someone who is going to unite the fan base either.

It's one poor decision after another.
 
I really don't think it is.
It's two fold:
I. Because he's "Gazza", the cheeky little chappy. That does act as a barrier. Just look at the likes of Michael Jackson, Jimmy Saville, Russell Brand, etc as comparators.

II. Because of the very clear mental health issues.

Don't throw the race card around in an unsubstantiated manner - You're better than that.

Its a race thing. Go see how Raheem Sterling has been treated by the media if you like. Gazza could have been the same skillful, cheeky chap and been black and this whole convo would have been different.

And please mate. Don't tell me what I can and can't say. It's a forum and I'm explaining my view. I've lived experience of racism. I don't know if you have.
 
This is an insane appointment.

5 year contract for someone that hardly stays anywhere for a prolonged period of time.

Likely to fall out with owners if not backed to a level he expects (he won't be)

Not exactly someone who is going to unite the fan base either.

It's one poor decision after another
There were rumours that they were willing to break the wage structure to make us more competitive - if we survive this horrible season.

The contract length is meaningless - it just means more money for him when he does get the sack.

Whatever we pay him, it will be less than the money we're going to lose if we go down.

We're desperate and so are the board. They must feel he's our best chance to avoid the drop and avoiding the drop is worth all the sacrifices: spending money, dividing the fan base and so on.

If it works, they get a few months to sort it out and, hopefully, get us back to a safer mid-table position next season.

If it doesn't work, the problem De Zerbi's appointment generated will be nothing compared to what the club will be facing.
 
The debate should be sitting with owners rightly or wrongly bringing in a player to a club with question marks around his character. It is not the manager's job to take the moral high ground regarding selecting a player whose bosses have chosen to spend money bring into the squad, especially one not convicted.

It is quite a reach tbh.....

Perhaps it’d be for the best if De Zerbi appears on next episode of The Overlap podcast to complain about how the ownership of Marseille didn’t sign elite players he wanted and instead forced him to make do with flawed ones because they were cheaper…
 
For all you complaining now that it’s not about RDZ, we had moved to whether Mason was a vile DV rapist. De Zerbi said he would defend him like a son in quotes. Mason has not shown any contrition. This is a reasonable position to hold if you care about victims of DV. In my view.
I absolutely get why you (or any sane person) would think Mason Greenwood is a vile individual but how do you know that he hasn’t shown any contrition?
 
There were rumours that they were willing to break the wage structure to make us more competitive - if we survive this horrible season.

The contract length is meaningless - it just means more money for him when he does get the sack.

Whatever we pay him, it will be less than the money we're going to lose if we go down.

We're desperate and so are the board. They must feel he's our best chance to avoid the drop and avoiding the drop is worth all the sacrifices: spending money, dividing the fan base and so on.

If it works, they get a few months to sort it out and, hopefully, get us back to a safer mid-table position next season.

If it doesn't work, the problem De Zerbi's appointment generated will be nothing compared to what the club will be facing.
Then 4 weeks later the same people said we are completely broke, I don't believe the owners.

5 years means we are tied to more finical outlay for a manager

He was available when Tudor was appointed, if they believed that he would has been appointed then.

I hope your last part is proved correct.
 
It’s a mental way to run a football club. We wanted an interim 4-5 weeks ago. Now we’ve decided we should go the permanent route. Not only that, we’re hiring a combustible, divisive manager who doesn’t last anywhere as a permanent manager and we’re hiring him on a 5 year deal. It’s basically just throwing brick at a wall and hoping some sticks.

Law of averages, it may well stick enough to get us out of the hole but if this appointment works out long-term (i.e. more than 12-18 months), I’ll eat my socks. No strategy, no consistency, no idea what they are doing.

F**king clown college.
 
This is an insane appointment.

5 year contract for someone that hardly stays anywhere for a prolonged period of time.

Likely to fall out with owners if not backed to a level he expects (he won't be)

Not exactly someone who is going to unite the fan base either.
If he manages to win 2 or 3 games and stops us going down then, after this season, that'll unite a lot of the fanbase.
After that, again after the last two seasons we've seen, if he simply gets us playing football that we can enjoy watching a bit more and reduces the rate of losses, he's going to engender goodwill much more quickly than under normal circumstances
 
Im guessing you'd have also wanted Ferguson out of our club for kicking a boot at a players head?
How is catching someone when kicking a boot accross a changing room the same as saying a bloke who abused his partner is a good guy or that he had been through it as a result? Not a dig but genuinely interested how they are comparable
 
How is catching someone when kicking a boot accross a changing room the same as saying a bloke who abused his partner is a good guy or that he had been through it as a result? Not a dig but genuinely interested how they are comparable

Because in some people's minds you have to be against everything if you're against something otherwise it's hypocrisy
 
Because in some people's minds you have to be against everything if you're against something otherwise it's hypocrisy
For the record im not overly bothered about De Zerbi, he wasn't the one who did what Greenwood did, I just think his comments were highly questionable and I am not sure its a good look

As for comparisons on Gazza and fans being ok with it well he wasn't playing here when that happened, without use of a crystal ball not sure what anyone can do now. For the record I think the blokes a mess and a cnut
 
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I wasn’t even aware of this case with Gascoigne. Gascoigne also admitted that he beat his wife “black and blue” over a “stupid argument”. He’s a scumbag and I say that as someone who loved watching him play football.

Nobody has on here to be fair but if anyone doesn’t condemn Gascoigne, a self confessed wife beater, and condemns de Zerbi, a football manager who played a guy who was never convicted of anything – well, that’s a very hard circle to square.

Also, maybe I missed it but I do not recall any outcry when Gascoigne donned our jersey for a legends game.

Yup, seems that most are willing to turn a blind eye to abhorrent behaviour when it’s “one of our own” but clutching their pearls when it’s an outsider they dislike the look of… lucky for Gazza that smartphones weren’t available back then for his wife and step-daughter to record him during those years of abusive behaviour…




 
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I haven’t been a fan of the idea of de Zerbi as our manager since I watched him getting on like an arsehole at the side of our pitch as Brighton manager three or four years ago.

That said, the idea that we wouldn’t employ him because he played a player who wasn’t found guilty of anything in a court of law seems odd to me.

I know little about the Greenwood ‘case’ (if case is the right word given he never stood trial), but I am not a fan of young people being binned off forever because of mistakes they may have made; particularly, given what I can pick up on here, that it would appear from the statement United issued that he expressed regret, and given that he has resumed a serious relationship - and gone on to have a family - with the woman at the centre of the allegations.

I still think De Zerbi is a bit of an arsehole, and that it would all eventually end in tears; but him playing Mason Greenwood is for me no reason for him not to be our manager. After all, we’ve got a convicted felon (recently pardoned by his pal - and convicted abuser of women - Donald Trump) as an owner; and, as someone else has pointed out, we frequently welcome back Paul Gascoigne (who has admitted assaulting his ex-wife) as a hero.

Only my thoughts, and I’m definitely not an expert on what went on - but I think it’s a bit late to consider our club as any sort of paragon of moral virtue within what has become a very dirty industry.

Well said and its good to see. Seems to me that a few of us us are getting our knickers in a twist and its overboard IMO.
 
Yup, seems that most are willing to turn a blind eye to abhorrent behaviour when it’s “one of our own” but clutching their pearls when it’s an outsider they dislike the look of… lucky for Gazza that smartphones weren’t available for his wife and step-daughter to record his years of abusive behaviour 25 years ago…




F**king hell, I didn't even realise he'd done some of this stuff. Admitted battering his missus, abusive towards his stepdaughter, racist, assaulting a fella doing his job and alleged to have forced himself on a woman on a train. He's gone for the full house of scumbag behaviour.

I can't even listen to the guy when he's interviewed. He lies through his teeth to get a reaction and only gets that reaction because he's "Gazza".

Awful human being and, yes, I do realise he had a very tough childhood.
 
Do people turn a blind eye to Gazza or is he just not relevant anymore? He was just before my time really and I'd say is considered a bit of a joke/sad character these days

Also do people even know the history of every single persons views on every single scenario enough make the statement that "people were ok with................"

People who are upset with De Zerbi might have been upset about Gazza, VDV etc.......
 
How is catching someone when kicking a boot accross a changing room the same as saying a bloke who abused his partner is a good guy or that he had been through it as a result? Not a dig but genuinely interested how they are comparable

It was in response to a post about the way De Zerbi treats some of his players on the training ground.
 
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